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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:20 am 
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maybe they'll bring back the "geo" brand!

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maybe they'll bring back the "geo" brand!


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Others insist that carmakers simply have to sell more small cars, such as the trio of 1-liter concepts that promise 40 m.p.g.-plus that GM unveiled at the New York Auto Show.

"Small-car mileage only counts toward CAFE if you build them here, and you can't build small cars here at a profit," Lutz said, explaining that foreign-made cars would count toward the automaker's import fleet, and its domestic fleet is where GM needs help.


If I remember correctly, the "Geo" stuff was rebranding products built by someone else (outside of the US?) So if the quote above it correct it wouldn't help them from a CAFE point of view.

Note, another "we can't" in the GM quote. Boy, they seem to say they can't do much of anything, but whine.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :lol: :P :lol: :P :lol: :D :) :lol: :P :x :D :lol:

Oh wait....this isn't a late AFD joke, is it?

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The Geo brand were Toyotas and Suzukis badged as GM cars.

I don't think we will see the end of the muscle age at all. I just think it will change. Both Toyota and BMW have seen the horizon and are making changes already. Toyota is looking to change the combustion engine and at alternative power sources while still upping the power ante. BMW is looking at another strategy. It is looking to decrease the weight accross the board on all of it's vehicles, a reversal of the current trend in the industry. Is they can keep the current power levels and reduce weight by 10%-20%, it a good win for them.

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Todd Breakey wrote:
Oh wait....this isn't a late AFD joke, is it?


I suppose I deserved that. . .

and with regards to geo, just b/c they were rebranded/built outside the US doesn't mean they didn't help GM's cafe standards I don't think, in fact, I thought that was a lot of the reason the geo brand was started? Maybe the rules have changed with regards to that?

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Brice, that wasn't directed at you. You just happened to right before I did. Sorry. I was actually laughing at the original post.

As for Geo, it would help the corporate average but not the domestic as he said in the press release. The domestic CAFE is what is hurting them so bad. When you domestic productions consists of Corvette, Suburban, Yukon, etc. Your domestic CAFE really takes a beating.

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"Small-car mileage only counts toward CAFE if you build them here, and you can't build small cars here at a profit," Lutz said, explaining that foreign-made cars would count toward the automaker's import fleet, and its domestic fleet is where GM needs help.


If this is really true, I don't blame Lutz at all about bringing on the whining. EPA is helping put the nails in GM's coffin with this policy.

"Hello? EPA? Yes, this is Globalization calling. Just wanted to let you know that we're here. Have been for 20 years actually."

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Todd Breakey wrote:
Brice, that wasn't directed at you. You just happened to right before I did. Sorry. I was actually laughing at the original post.


hehe, I didn't take offense at it, I'm just amazed that I was so stupid that Whitney's AFD joke got me so bad. His was at least believable sounding, I was out of touch enough with when AFD happened that even THIS one got me

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"Small-car mileage only counts toward CAFE if you build them here, and you can't build small cars here at a profit," Lutz said, explaining that foreign-made cars would count toward the automaker's import fleet, and its domestic fleet is where GM needs help.


If this is really true, I don't blame Lutz at all about bringing on the whining. EPA is helping put the nails in GM's coffin with this policy.

"Hello? EPA? Yes, this is Globalization calling. Just wanted to let you know that we're here. Have been for 20 years actually."


This may be true, not as a result of anti-globalization, but in a futile attempt at job preservation. The gov't is trying to encourage automakers in the US to build small cars here so as more people trade in their land yacht for a focus, neon, or cobalt the car will still be built in the US by UAW workers so they do this by incenting them to keep making the cars here so they can meet CAFE stds.

I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for the US manufacturers. As with most other US industries, instead of investing in their product, they buy up other companies to pump up stock and make money for the big investors. They have poured millions (Billions?) into marketing, lobbying, delaying, pay-offs to government officials instead of using it to develop a competitive advantage with better technology. None of the parties see the light - not the companies, the unions, or the government. They as with other industries have ceded not only the manufacturing, but are ceding the innovation and development to the Japanese, the EU, and now the Chinese :shock: all over greed and sloth. They need to stop pouring money into figuring out whether to name a car the "Five Hundred" or the Taurus and start figuring out how to make a hybrid Corvette that is powered by used french fries/beer/and a 9V battery. :idea: :wink: (and that will still do 118mph on the straight at VIR) :lol:

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The Geo brand were Toyotas and Suzukis badged as GM cars.


Really? The Geo Storm and Isuzu Impulse had many of the same parts.

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well, tracker=Suzuki sidekick
prizm= toyota corrola

maybe the storm was an isuzu, who knows. . .

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BriceJohnson wrote:
well, tracker=Suzuki sidekick
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maybe the storm was an isuzu, who knows. . .


Geo Storm = Isuzu Impulse

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It will be interesting to see what happens to Chrysler with Mercedes trying to cut their losses.

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Maybe this will save the day...
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Sure, it might help Chrysler. If Chrysler doesn't get sold. Oh and they would have to build it here apparently. Which they can't.

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