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I am agreeing with the more recent posts. There are many things that can distract you. Drugs, alcohol, kids, ...And I also can certainly think of things that are going to affect your ability to drive.....Another is older drivers who shouldn’t be driving anymore.



Hey Rich... Watch that s***t. Some of us are still road-worthy!!! Especially when we have taken our DRUGS, man... :)

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I saw someone driving during rush hour playing the mandolin. Hmmm wonder which knee he was steering with? :roll:


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Richard Casto wrote:
I am agreeing with the more recent posts. There are many things that can distract you. Drugs, alcohol, kids, ...And I also can certainly think of things that are going to affect your ability to drive.....Another is older drivers who shouldn’t be driving anymore.



Hey Rich... Watch that s***t. Some of us are still road-worthy!!! Especially when we have taken our DRUGS, man... :)

You tell em Brad. Older drivers My A$$. Oh wait did Richard say that? Did I say that??? :roll: :shock:

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I am agreeing with the more recent posts. There are many things that can distract you. Drugs, alcohol, kids, ...And I also can certainly think of things that are going to affect your ability to drive.....Another is older drivers who shouldn’t be driving anymore.



Hey Rich... Watch that s***t. Some of us are still road-worthy!!! Especially when we have taken our DRUGS, man... :)

You tell em Brad. Older drivers My A$$. Oh wait did Richard say that? Did I say that??? :roll: :shock:


Please re-read what I said... :)

I said "older drivers who shouldn’t be driving anymore" ,not just "older drivers". If you can drive just fine up until the point they put you in the hole in the ground, more power to you!!! I am talking about people who used to be able to drive just fine, but due to whatever reason, they just can't safely navigate in today's world. At some point, the keys need to be taken away by relatives or they need to be retested more frequently. Not intending to offend as most likely at some point I am going to give up the keys or have them taken away by my kids or the government.

I should probably note that there is probably plenty of people who never could drive and shouldn't be driving as well (of any age)

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Please re-read what I said... :)

I said "older drivers who shouldn’t be driving anymore" ,not just "older drivers". If you can drive just fine up until the point they put you in the hole in the ground, more power to you!!! I am talking about people who used to be able to drive just fine, but due to whatever reason, they just can't safely navigate in today's world. At some point, the keys need to be taken away by relatives or they need to be retested more frequently. Not intending to offend as most likely at some point I am going to give up the keys or have them taken away by my kids or the government.

I should probably note that there is probably plenty of people who never could drive and shouldn't be driving as well (of any age)


My theory on this is that the older drivers you see who are utterly terrible, and there are many, are the same people you see now in their middle ages blasting around everywhere jabbering on their cell phones, reading, eating salad, etc. You know, those that think driving is a mindless activity. They wake up one day, and have lost their youthfull arogance/confidence and all of a sudden they realize they really have no idea what they are doing behind the wheel of a car, that driving a car is actually a very demanding activity, but its too late to learn and wonder how they have been doing it on auto-pilot for so many years. Of course they can't give up their mobility, so they must keep driving and since the police have always told them its "speed that kills", I mean speeding tickets are the emphasis of the police force so it must be the most dangerous thing, as long as they do everything incredibly slowly, they should be alright. :roll:


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Richard Casto wrote:
I said "older drivers who shouldn’t be driving anymore" ,not just "older drivers". If you can drive just fine up until the point they put you in the hole in the ground, more power to you!!! I am talking about people who used to be able to drive just fine, but due to whatever reason, they just can't safely navigate in today's world. At some point, the keys need to be taken away by relatives or they need to be retested more frequently. Not intending to offend as most likely at some point I am going to give up the keys or have them taken away by my kids or the government.

I should probably note that there is probably plenty of people who never could drive and shouldn't be driving as well (of any age)


Amen to that. My dad falls in that category but there is no chance of him giving up his keys. I won't ride with him though. How do you convince them that it's time to give it up?

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Amen to that. My dad falls in that category but there is no chance of him giving up his keys. I won't ride with him though. How do you convince them that it's time to give it up?


Talk to their doctor about it and setup an appointment for a physical. A doctor can actually have someone's license revoked if he/she feels a person is unfit to drive. It usually has to do with vision or hearing, but other things can play into it as well. - AB

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Amen to that. My dad falls in that category but there is no chance of him giving up his keys. I won't ride with him though. How do you convince them that it's time to give it up?


Talk to their doctor about it and setup an appointment for a physical. A doctor can actually have someone's license revoked if he/she feels a person is unfit to drive. It usually has to do with vision or hearing, but other things can play into it as well. - AB


That reminds me of someone that told me about trying to get their grandmother's license taken away. Maybe someone in the club told me about this? Anyway, whoever it was, their grandmother lived on a traffic circle and she was blind in her right eye.....that ain't pretty. He couldn't get the doctor to revoke her driving priveledges though. Crazy.

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...since the police have always told them its "speed that kills", I mean speeding tickets are the emphasis of the police force so it must be the most dangerous thing, as long as they do everything incredibly slowly, they should be alright. :roll:


X2. I feel more safe at VIR doing 100+ than on the highway to get there. At least on the track we are all going the same direction and cell phones aren't even an issue. All of us are focused on the task of driving and nothing else.

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Richard Casto wrote:
I said "older drivers who shouldn’t be driving anymore" ,not just "older drivers". If you can drive just fine up until the point they put you in the hole in the ground, more power to you!!! I am talking about people who used to be able to drive just fine, but due to whatever reason, they just can't safely navigate in today's world. At some point, the keys need to be taken away by relatives or they need to be retested more frequently. Not intending to offend as most likely at some point I am going to give up the keys or have them taken away by my kids or the government.

I should probably note that there is probably plenty of people who never could drive and shouldn't be driving as well (of any age)


Amen to that. My dad falls in that category but there is no chance of him giving up his keys. I won't ride with him though. How do you convince them that it's time to give it up?


My Dad was recounting a conversation that happend with my Grandmother and a few other relatives at a family reunion. They were talking about "taking the keys away". Someone asked my grandmother about when they took her keys away. I don't think she had really thought about it and said "Nobody took my keys away from me!". What they did was sell her car!!

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With my grandmother, she was diagnosed with Alzheimer's about 7 years ago. It's progressed quickly and she is very confused (doesn't recognize family members anymore).

When the doctor wrote a letter to the NYS DMV to revoke her license, she still had pretty good memory functioning, but would sometimes get lost or confused. Unfortunately, that didn't stop her from driving and she would get lost and someone would find her sitting at an intersection.... with no license.

Thus, my mother pulled the battery from her car and left a note in its place stating, 'If someone calls to fix this car, please call my number at xxx-xxx-xxxx prior to doing any work.' After about 3 different mechanics looked at the car and told her it couldn't be fixed, my grandmother gave up and my mother sold it. - AB

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... He affirmed that basically, cell phone use is no different with or without the handset because most users will concentrate more on the conversation than the driving. The handsfree may only help for a limited period of time but it still isn't going to solve the root of the problem - the conversation itself. A conversation in the car is different since the person in the car will innately "pace" things and attention can be redirected back to driving (i.e. seeing traffic up ahead). The person on the other end of a cell call isn't going to be seeing what's going on in the car and allow for this.
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Well the solution is obvious then.. we need video phones if the car, so the person on the other end of the call can see what is going on!! :lol:

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