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 Post subject: The Turbo Mini is here
PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:34 pm 
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What is it?
Where have you been? This is the second-generation model of one of the most successful cars of recent years. And despite the mildly modified looks, it really is new. Indeed, one senior BMW engineer told us that the second-generation Mini is effectively a new car. Although the bulkhead and floor structure have been carried over from the current Mini, virtually everything else is new or substantially modified, from the front bumper to the rear lights.
We spent the day with new Mini Cooper S at Holland?s coastal Zandvoort ex-F1 circuit, which swoops and switches through the sand dunes. Although we couldn?t try the car on the open road, the high-speed track work and low-speed handling course told us a lot about it.

Starting at the front, the Mini has got a brand-new drivetrain. There?s a new all-aluminium 1.6-litre engine, co-developed with Peugeot-Citroen, which has direct injection and a twin-scroll turbocharger. The upshot is a maximum output of 175bhp and 177lb ft of torque at just 1600rpm. Under hard acceleration an overboost system delivers a brief 192lb ft slug of torque.
All Minis get a six-speed manual Getrag manual box and the option of an efficient six-speed automatic transmission. Paddle shifters will be an option and the CVT box has been killed off. The Cooper S is also available with a limited-slip differential.

What?s it like?
As soon as you pull on the distinctive door handles and the frameless window jumps down half an inch, you get on overwhelming sense of just what BMW has done with the second-generation Mini.
The whole car exudes a sense of polish and precision that the original just didn?t have. True, the first car ? mostly developed by the old Rover Group in the UK ? had immense character and endearing eccentricities, but it was also riddled with quirks and outright faults.

Settle in behind the wheel, and although the interior of this pre-production car is disguised, improvements are clear. The driving position remains straight-ahead excellent, and there?s noticeably more room in the footwells.
The seat is a massive advance: wide enough, sensibly bolstered and fitted with slickly smooth adjustment. The door trims on our car seem showroom-ready, are very well made and fitted with stylish aluminium trim.

The new dashboard uses the same design theme as before. The central speedo is even bigger and houses (rather small) fingertip controls for the radio and trip computer. The new climate control panel is also small and uses distinctive rocker switches for fan speed and temperature control.
To fire up the car, you push the large, circular key into a slot in the dashboard and press a button.

All the controls, indicators, rocker switches, handbrake and the control weightings are immediate step forward over those in the old car.

On the low-speed handling course (which was broken up enough to imitate British roads) the Cooper S demonstrates much greater civility than the outgoing car. The ride is very compliant, and at low speeds the steering is beautifully weighted, allowing the car to be threaded around with tremendous accuracy.

Others complained that the (electrically-assisted) steering lacked real feel and it is certainly much lighter at the rim. This, says BMW, is because many female drivers requested it. More sporting drivers might lament the loss of effort required, but sheer accuracy allows the Mini to be placed with outstanding fingertip ease and it?s quick enough, at just 2.7 turns lock-to-lock.
The sheer comfort of the standard-issue Cooper S is also a surprise, even though all three Mini models sit as low to the ground as regulations allow. The re-designed front suspension and taller suspension towers have allowed a vital extra 8mm front wheel travel. That and the lighter engine transform the front-end ride.
It?s a quick car without doubt, but the smoothness of the engine?s response and near-seamless integration of the twin-scroll turbocharger makes the new Cooper S less of an event than old model. The old supercharged car might have wheezed and rattled a bit, but it felt alive. The new Cooper S is smoother, more refined and very quick, but it does lack the visceral thrills of the old car.

From what could be gleaned at Zandvoort the Cooper S is easy and satisfying to drive quickly. It?s also refined, and excursions onto the rumble strips failed to encourage a single rattle or squeak in the pre-production cabin. If there is one outstanding complaint, it is that while bouncing off the red line there is an irritatingly characterless blare from the new engine.

Should I buy one?
Until the official launch in October, we won?t know for sure, but on first impressions the new Mini is every bit as good as the last one and then some. It?s much newer than it looks, better built, more comfortable, more refined, and slicker in everyway.



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As soon as you pull on the distinctive door handles and the frameless window jumps down half an inch, you get on overwhelming sense of just what BMW has done with the second-generation Mini.


So AW hasn't driven last year's model?

Unofficial word is that the new ones will weigh in 180 pounds LESS than the outgoing model.

The reason it's unofficial? If I had ordered a JCW GP, I might be cheesed if the next base model is it's daddy.

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One question: did they get rid of the butt ugly cup holders that look like they belong on a bass boat? :lol:

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OOps 2 questions: Will the new model finally pull all the other MiniSs up into DS where they should have been all along? :wink:

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It's not *that* sexy.

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It's not *that* sexy.


You're right. I think it's gone a bit more bullfrog than bulldog. But I hear the cupholders are amazing.

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actually, according to motoringfile, the new car will be only 10 kg lighter than the outgoing model. . .

Glad to own a 2006 here :)

as the article says, the new mini is more refined, but lacks the "visceral thrill" of the old model. I'm not sure who buys a mini for a refined car, but they bought the wrong car, this car is all about "visceral thrill" if you ask me. . .

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Yeah. They posted the Google translated, fuzzy math announcement after I made my post.

10kg. Not so impressive.

But the cupholders still rock.
I wonder if I can update/backdate the cupholder and stay GS legal. :?:

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the engine is impressive without a doubt, but a couple things I don't like so far. . .

-the scoop is now non-functional (at least this is what I've heard, does that mean FMIC finally?), nothing pisses me off more than non-functional scoops, I guess people will use it for something eventually. . .

-The styling looks flatter in general to me, maybe I'm missing something, but the bulbous nature of the bonnet appears to less exagerated, its hard to say until I see it in person, but I don't see any changes that I really LIKE, everything I've noticed thats different I have disliked

-the interior styling changes are, well, meh. . .

-I'll miss the whine, to me that was part of what made it so unique, lets at least hope the new one still "burbles". No turbo will ever match the response of a roots charger, the mini was never about peak power, it was about good power and excellent power delivery (if you want a drag car, get a neon SRT-4, or better yet, a RWD car!).

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Right now turbo technology has a leg up on superchargers. Ball bearing, reliable variable vane geometry...etc. Not to mention they are cheaper.


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Matthew Fortner wrote:
Right now turbo technology has a leg up on superchargers. Ball bearing, reliable variable vane geometry...etc. Not to mention they are cheaper.


Lag, heat soak, lack of bottom end torque, yeah, they're much better.

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Wes Eargle wrote:
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Right now turbo technology has a leg up on superchargers. Ball bearing, reliable variable vane geometry...etc. Not to mention they are cheaper.


Lag, heat soak, lack of bottom end torque, yeah, they're much better.


You haven't driven any car with variable vane geometry obviously. Not really any lag at all and bottom end torque is damn good in the 1.8T or 2.0T VW/Audi motors. Heat soak happens in superchargers as well. So I would take one of the new turbo systems over most supercharger systems.

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I'll hold off on driving any more turbo cars until I get my mitts on a twin turbo six banger. I just prefer linear throttle response and instatorque to something that has to spool up. I'll take the oranges if you want the apples.

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Don't take all the oranges. Leave me a couple.

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