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NASCAR has had twelve races that finished within 0.030 seconds of each other since 1993 . Yeah, that's pretty pathetic racing. Do you really think that Jimmie Johnson didn't use the slingshot move to get by Elliott Sadler in the last lap at Talladega? And at Daytona? Come on.

I disagree with your contention that the racing isn't better. This season, there have been ten different winners in the eighteen races. Texas Motor Speedway has never had a repeat champion. I guess that you'll blame the "exotic setups" for that.

Finally, I think that it's funny that you've gone from NASCAR fans wanting to shoot JPM to those wascally wepublicans.

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Pepsi 400
Daytona International Speedway
July 1, 2006
Race 17 of 36


Fin St Car Driver Make Sponsor Pts/Bonus Laps Status
1 2 #20 Tony Stewart Chevrolet The Home Depot 190/10 160 Running
2 14 #5 Kyle Busch Chevrolet Kellogg's/Cheez-it 170/0 160 Running
3 16 #2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 165/0 160 Running
4 1 #160 Boris Said Ford SOBE - No Fear 165/5 160 Running
5 10 #17 Matt Kenseth Ford R+L Carriers 160/5 160 Running
6 13 #38 Elliott Sadler Ford M&M's 150/0 160 Running
7 40 #42 Casey Mears Dodge Texaco/Havoline 146/0 160 Running
8 26 #26 Jamie McMurray Ford Smirnoff Ice 142/0 160 Running
9 32 #29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Hershey's 143/5 160 Running
10 30 #07 Clint Bowyer * Chevrolet Jack Daniel's 134/0 160 Running

That's one hell of a backmarker...He sat on the pole and finished 4th. I think that Gordon (started 4th finished 40th) would have liked to been that backmarker.

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Todd Breakey
STS 42 - 1992 Sunburst Miata
Dammit!
"You souldn't play leap frog with a porcupine. You might get hurt." - Eliza

no, those wascally wepublicans don't want no furennuurs driving them thar NASCAR crate engined, wind tunnel tested, multi million dollar, multi race car team operated dog and pony shows to interfere with their saturday night drinkin. cause after all, i did not coin the phrase "nascar dads" as a viable electorate for the parties to persue.

shit, my brother, this is marketing genius at its best. a racetrack in Chicago. look thru the crowd and ask yourself if this audience is representative of the population of greater Chicago. i have my doubts. i don't know that Oprah is a fan, and i hear she owns that town.

why are women so attracted to Nascar? there are no woman drivers.

they race in Phoenix, AZ. where even the NFL knows it is a desert.

California offers a road course as does New York. Pocono, an otherwise desereted venue draws tons of yankee rednecks.

i am not saying that Nascar isn't putting forth some kind of a good show for the fans Wes. i just don't believe it is so much racing as it is entertainment. and only twelve close races in 13 years? were you pressed for time on that statistic?

my first race was the 1984 Firecracker 400. culture shock is the only way to describe it. behind me sat two women. one was 60 plus with probably six teeth in her mouth. the other was daughter or daughter in law.

everytime Buddy Baker came around in the Crisco car ( Crisco? WTF ) Granny would holler "Go Buddy". she was three sheets ahead of me for sure.

my contention is that Nascar has become a sport less dependant on the driver 's skill and personality, and more dependant on the car and car builder. fans follow blindly, with the occasional incident that draws yeahs or boos for a driver. it bores me. yet i still piss and moan. guess you got me there Wes.

oh, Jimmie Johnson is a fag, just like his car owner Rainbow Fag Boy, Jeff Gordon.

I forget, how did Tony Stewart gain the speed again to pass Boris? Could it be that he utilized Said's airflow to gain a momentum advantage? I hear that they haven't done that since 1982.

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Todd Breakey
STS 42 - 1992 Sunburst Miata
Dammit!
"You souldn't play leap frog with a porcupine. You might get hurt." - Eliza

Harry Hogge: Cole, you're wandering all over the track!
Cole Trickle: Yeah, well this son of a bitch just slammed into me.
Harry Hogge: No, no, he didn't slam you, he didn't bump you, he didn't nudge you..He "rubbed you. And rubbin, son, is racin'.

I respect the technology of F1, but find it boring to watch - Too much about the starting position, car and not enough action.
There isn't much "stock" about the NASCAR cars today and the "car of the future" will be worse. The wing on the back sucks - too ricer for me. The cars now are just like drag racing funny cars. I am for the safety aspects of those new cars.
All the rules NASCAR has imposed have ruined some parts of racing ie: restrictor plates. It is too "commercialized" for me. But, I still enjoy the competition and personalities.
Whatever their sexual orientation (I don't care if they are gay), I don't like Jeffy and Jimmy either.
Gordon is a cry baby. At Bristol he left his helmet on, pushed Kennesth then jumped behind a big guy. He cried and cried about getting wrecked on a track where contact in unavoidable.
Then, at Chicago he returns the favor and says it is just racing. He should be man enough to say he did it to win and if Matt doesn't like it, meet him in the garage.
Johnson causes way too many wrecks. Like his buddy Jeffy, he thinks everybody should get out of his way. Back in the day, guys like Jr. Johnson and Bobby Allison would have kicked their asses.
When Jeremy Mayfield "moved" Earnhardt to win at Pocono in 2000, Earnhardt didn't cry about it. He said it was his fault for drving into turn 3 too hard and letting Mayfield catch him. That's just racing.
I'm fired up now! I think I'll whip SM 88 the next time he wins.

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Naah, you know better than that. Autocrossers would kill for an event where P1 and P2 are decided by less than a tenth. The fact that around one race a year is decided by a couple of hundredths is a good indicator that there's some good racing going on. If you want to one up me, try to find a comprehensive list of finishing times for NASCAR.

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As for Jeff pushing Matt and jumping behind someone...I guess you would call Bobby a sissy because Donnie had to resuce him from Cale.

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Jim Pastorius
2008 Silverado VortecMax
1992 Camaro CMC#92
2002 BMW R1150R

2009 3rd Place CMC Mid-Atlantic Championship
2009 CMC Hyperfest Winner

But Cale kicks like a girl.

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That's not what happened. According to all three of them. Bobby pulled up to see if his brother was OK. Cale punched him through the window. After Bobby got out, Cale kept hitting Bobby's fist with his nose.
They got it all out of their system and were fine by the next week. They are friends now.
I'd like to see a fight between Jeffy and Tony.
JPM will do fine in today's NASCAR. He'll have the equipment and he has the talent.

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Wes, are you kidding? Say what you want about the racing, but NASCRAP and technology???????????? There are more hours and technology in the Super Aguri F1 cars than any NASCAR "stock" car.

Besides, we all know that NASCAR is fixed. There are way too many times that some sentimental sob story wins just coincentally, starting with Junior after his dad died, Jimmy Johnson after his crew chief got punted etc ad nauseum. Bill France/Helton/[insert current NASCAR God] just makes sure that the "fans" of the NASCAR soap opera are appeased so the "sport" keeps its marketing base. It hasn't been real racing since Plymouth made Superbirds.

Jr. got wrecked in turn 3 on the first lap at Rockingham, one week after Earnhardt died. It started raining and Steve Park won that race Monday.

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Hm. I figure Indy was the final straw for Ron Dennis, who did what he knew he should have done a long time ago and fired him on the spot. NASCAR was the first place JPM could buy a ride.

I'm only half joking. It was clear JPM wasn't going to get a good ride next year, and I could easily see Ron telling him to get a damn ride in something so he could leave while saving face. Ron has never been nice to drivers who outlived their usefulness.

Seriously, the last drivers I saw in F1 with a style like JPMs were Mansell in his early days at Lotus, and Andrea de Cesaris. Mansell got over his bad judgement problem and eventually managed to win a championship with Williams. JPM was clearly never going to get over it, not in F1 anyway. But at least he was faster than Andrea.

Back to the topic of Indy: I remember Tom Walkinshaw back when he ran the Jaguar WSC team. I forget the race, I think it was in Canada. Tom was asked if he had team orders, and he said, "Yeah. Don't run into each other." The Jags took each other out in the first corner.

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Martyn Wheeler
AXing Kit's '05 Mazda 3, #29 HStock
(when The Gonzo Symphonic allows)

You clearly have no idea about what you are talking about.

How to build an engine. Now go and do a little research on K&C rigs here. Then look at the hours spent in a windtunnel perfecting the aerodynamics and then realize that the engineers have to conform to a ruleset that is far more structured and closed than F1 is. NASCAR chassis engineering costs are easily that of F1 costs.

Playing within the rules is way more difficult than throwing a rulebook out the way that Max and Bernie did with the chassis dynamics and aero package that is allowed by the FIA.

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Wes
If you don't like F1 you should change your avatar. That guy look like Fernando Alonso.