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 Post subject: Street survival, 33 new confident drivers on the road
PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:48 pm 
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For those of you that didn't attend today, you missed a great event!! Hat's off to everyone that put on the event and worked. This was my first time helping and instructing at one of these events, but I'd like to think it won't be my last. The format was great, especially over at the HP training grounds...man, if we just could run a THSCC event there.

Miles did a great job of setting up the course and placing lot's of real world elements in front of the students. Brian, Gilbert and all the other bimmer and street survival folks did an excellent job as well putting on a class act.

As for my student Sarah, I was VERY pleased at her progress though out the day. She was a little tentitive when we first started out, but wow, what a difference by the end of the day. The lane change showed her best improvement. The last run of the day was flawless, great reaction time, good car control and even a little counter steering to straighten up that big Jeep Cherokee. The wet skid pad was a blast as well. She now understands how the Jeep feels as it understeers and how to get it back under control. Also got some over steer by having her kick the gas and rotate the rear of the Jeep. She did very well gathering it back getting back under control

My thanks to everyone, especially the course workers who had to stand outside on this sunny day.

I guess my last note here is if you have a chance to work or instruct at a street survival event, do it. I'd like to think I inspired some confidence in Sarah and I think that holds true for all the other students. I know both of my sons came away with a much better attitude towards car control and knowing the limits of what their daily drivers can do.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:14 am 
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It was alot of fun and totally different from doing an autocross school. My student, Elizabeth, had the newest car out there with an 07 Toyota Yaris that she bought herself. She had her head on her shouders right even before we started the elements. She did get a little more confident throughout the day though. By the end of the day she was nailing every element without issue. I really liked being able to do the 2 and 4 wheels off exercise.

Kudos to Miles, Brian, Gilbert and all involved in making this happen. It is a much needed course in this area.


BTW - If anyone is looking for a new, cheap, high mileage car that barely seats 4, I highly recommend the Yaris. Just like all Toyotas, it is well built and realtivly peppy. And it gets about 40 mpg!!

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Anybody have a student named Emily Guinn? Black Jetta.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:39 am 
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It's really great to hear the results of these types of schools. I instructed for a similar school put on by the No. Virginia Corvette Club up here earlier this year. It was a great experience for students and instructors alike. The transformation from tentative to confident is quite satisfying for an instructor and great for the kid. Anything we can do to get more drivers on the road today that actually somewhat understand the physics of driving is a good thing.

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I forgot to thank the volunteers who worked the course. It was pretty darn hot and very sunny and for them to stand in the heat while we rode around in airconditioned cars is pretty cool of them. Thanks guys!

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What a great event! Very rewarding as an instructor. I truly hope this becomes a recurring event. I took 4 parents for a ride through the difference elements. One was from Washington, DC. One was from Charlotte. One was from Hillsborough and one was from Cary. The lady from DC said that it was a couple of months before they came to DC and she just didn't want to wait that long. The gentleman from Charlotte said they offer a similar program at the Lowe's Motor Speedway but it's $450 because of the cost to rent the speedway facilities. At $60, this course was a steal!!

Ch 17 did a pretty good job with their coverage on the 6pm and 11pm news yesterday. I haven't seen anything from the other TV stations that came out.


My student, Brent, has been driving for 1 year (1.5 years counting time with his permit). In that time he has never had to get on the brakes hard, he has never felt abs kick in, and never been in a situation where his tires have lost traction and he had to recover (all of which he experienced yesterday). He said he had no idea that the car would stop as quickly as it did.

He also couldn't believe the difference steering input made when stoping his car. That was by far the most awesome teaching moment of the entire day. We were on the wet lane change element. Brent when into the element harder than he had all morning (his confidence was building)! When he made it into the lane on the right side, he transitioned his streering input to come back to the center lane, but the car understeered and we continued straight ahead. Brian got on the brakes, but we continued straight. With the front wheels turned and now locked (and the car still headed straight towards the cones!), Brian did just as you'd expect and dialed in event more steering input (all the way to full lock to the left).
So we ended up about 2 feet past the cone wall (Brian's first conage of the day!). We talked for about 30 secs, went right back around to try it again. This time when he hit the right side lane and the car started to understeer, he quickly got the front tires back to straight and then got on the brakes and the ABS quickly brought the car to a stop. Brian said "Holly Crap!, I had no idea steering would have that big an impact on stopping the car." Everything clicked at that moment!

After that, we did lots of other variations within that same element. I'd even tug on the e-brake to kick out the rear end. Brian's reactions quickly changed from over correction to smooth steering and brake inputs. He was really doing an outstanding job of car control before the day was over.

In the afternoon, I asked Miles to remove the cone that blocked the center lane of the that same element. This way we could carry a decent amount of speed into the element in order to let the student feel the car hydroplane and then let them get a feel for the distance it takes to stop the car in those wet conditions. I hope others were able to try that as well. My student told me he felt that exercise was helpful for him.

When I got home I told my wife " Screw the swimming pool, we're getting an irrigated skid pad! It's a hell-of-a lot more fun than a pool!!!) For some reason, she really didn't find the humor in it that I did! :lol:

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 Post subject: street survival
PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:32 pm 
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I would like to add my thanks to the Instructors, Volunteers, Students, NCSHP, Brian Marks and Miles Beam. This was a great event that helped a number of drivers become safer drivers. We hope to conduct another school in the September time frame. We will need your help and support again.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:15 am 
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For those interested, here's the write up from the N&O

http://www.newsobserver.com/928/story/454461.html

later....

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Great event guys. My thanks to everybody involved. My son Kevin was a student and I know he got a lot out of this day and he had a great time. Even though he's already done an autox, he learned more on Saturday than we could have taught him any place else. He had the whole day to practice and experiment with how the car handles in street type situations. I'll post some pictures tonight (my IT police tend to make a visit when I upload too much from the office).

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