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Personally, I feel that Kevin cares about this much --><-- that I right-clicked on Bowie's MG and have it as my work wallpaper. But I also have purchased prints before from him that are WAY better than those put online, and even cropped appropriately and will purchase more in the future.

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Has no responsibility whatsoever.

Yeah, I don't care what people do with the photos I put up online as long as they're not profiting from them in ANY way. (if you plan to use one of my photos in an advertisement, you'd better get my permission first)

And I do prefer to make prints for you, in order to control the quality. So if you take one of my (extremely low resolution) digital files from the Internet, have it printed 20x30 at WalMart, and put it up on your wall looking all busted & stuff, DO NOT TELL ANYONE THAT IT'S MINE!!!

The main reason I'm out there shooting now is that I plan to provide the club with decent shots of as many year-end trophy winners as I can, and hopefully provide some funny stuff for the comedians.

And anybody who sees their car on my website and doesn't want it there is welcome to pm me and tell me to take it down.

Not to argue this point too much (or hijack this thread), but this isn't true. If it shows up on my screen, I can get a copy of it. Just speaking to the technical issue, not the legal one

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-Bill Martin
02 WRX DS#44

My $.02 worth.

I couple times a year I shoot portraits of dancers for my wifes studio. I do them all digital and probably have about 4k in equipment. I also have a copyright stamp I put on all the pictures and the proofs. I let all my customers know if they need more copies of the prints, I'll be happy to help them.

With the labs I have used to print the files, I continually have to sign releases with them to show I am the owner of the images, the labs cover their rears, and I know from my days working in photo labs we had to have a release signed anytime a customer brought anything in that even smelled like a professional had done it.

So everything I've ever done and seen shows the photographer as owner of the image, unless other wise stated.

What bugs me is the one or two parents that after I have the kids positioned, the lights set, and I'm ready to shoot, they step in with the disposable flash camera and snap off a shot. Without biting their heads off I have to tell them they can't do that.

I've been asked to shoot weddings and politly declined, I'd rather chew my own leg off than shoot a wedding.

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John Helgesen
76 911
http://members.rennlist.com/screamin_yellow/

Thats funny....

-Tom

You can't. There is no way that you can politely tell a parent that they don't have the right to photograph their own child.

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Rich
http://www.v8mongrel.com/

At a recent wedding I shot in the mountains, there was a guy who came up & sat right next to where I was standing. As I prepared to shoot photos of the toast, he fired off a BOUNCED-FLASH exposure which caught me off-guard and blinded my right eye (I sometimes keep one eye open & look through the lens with the other one to make sure I don't miss something that's outside the planned shot). Gave him a really dirty look with the eye that could see, but he ignored me. Kept bouncing his flash off the 100 ft high ceiling so I had to reach over & cover his flash unit while I wasn't shooting, so I'd be able to see when I needed to take a shot. (actually, now that I think about it, I may've ended up just stepping in front of him so I didn't miss anything ) These types of people really gripe my ass...

As for the aunts & uncles with disposable cameras, if they're not holding things up I let them get their shots - if they're making a nuisance of themselves sometimes I'll hold out my camera (all 10 pounds of it) and ask if anyone wants to take over for me, or if I should keep doing what I've been paid to do. (always with a smile )

100 foot bounce. Heh. Funny.

Yeah. I start by telling people they can take pictures if they want, as long as they don't get in my way and they shoot after I do.

Besides, if Aunt Helen gets a better shot with a disposable flash then the client must like red eye and I'm going to start wondering why they hired me.

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Not spectacular just decent.
I'm not sure what I'm driving.
Maybe an ITR in DS.
Or half-assed STX prepped 330.

Kevin wasn't really picking on you, I have run into this issue with other people and think its pretty silly. I post my pictures on the internet that I Get from Euroimage at track events, I acutlly lower the quality and size of the digital photo so it does not take up a whole lot of space. And of course bill is right if it displays on your screen it is on your computer somewhere but the adverage joe will not know how to find it.

I do have a question for you photo guys, I get a cd from euroimage with all the shots they took at my car over the weekend, I assume the same rules appply to those pictures as far as getting reprints and such?

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David Teague
2015 Lexus IS 250c
1994 Honda Del Sol HS 39
2009 Dodge Journey R/T
http://teaguefamily.us

Again, it depends on the contractual arrangements you made with the photographer. There is always a pro photographer at Nationals that does his best to get at least one or two pictures of every competitor that he then offers for sale. If I buy a print from him he shows me the digital "proof sheets" I pick out the image I like. He then adjusts and crops that shot to my satisfaction and prints it out for me. In this scenario he still retains ownership of the rights to that picture, I just own the picture itself. If I scan that picture and reuse it on my website or in a promotional pkg or just make copies for the relatives without written permission, I am in violation of the copyright laws. If I so want, he will also sell me a cd of the unaltered high rez files of all the shots he took of my car and even throws in some general background shots for an additional fee. The contractual agreement when I purchased the cd is that I now own the reproduction rights to those pictures, and can use/alter them in any way I see fit. NOTE!: I still do not OWN the original image itself, the photographer is also free to reprint alter or sell that image again without my permission or compensation. Clear as mud? I thought so.

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SPIN or WIN!
there's no glory for going slow.

Chuck, don't you have graphics on your car that you designed? And now that photographer is making money off of your work?

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In need of car.

I guess at local events that applies. At any national event you sign away any of those rights when you sign your entry form. I was bored at work and read it the other day.

-Tom

All this wedding talk reminds me of what we did at our wedding. We didn't want a photographer running around imposing on everyone during the ceremony or afterward. We hired a photographer to do the posed stuff before the ceremony, then they were out of there. Past that we bought like 15 disposable cameras and put them on the guest tables with a note asking that they not be used during the ceremony (our wedding and reception were both in her parents yard) and for them to be used up and left for us to develop. We treasure the shots our guests shot a lot more than the posed stuff we had done professionally. *shrug*

The best thing that happened was that a very good friend of mine who is *very* adept at being inconspicuous shot quite a few images with a good zoom during the ceremony (and moved around some to boot for different angles). Nobody noticed he had done it, and after the wedding he sent me a computer tape of the images (this was way back in the olden days before CD burners were available). They were great.

You know, he checks regularly to make sure I have them on my website still, so I'm guessing that he's intended me to have copyright control of them. I haven't asked, though.


--Donnie