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 Post subject: Re: Garage Build
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:30 pm 
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As of Monday, the last 2 of the 3 final inspections (zoning and watershed) passed. Following Rodney's thread, I feel like a slacker. I did finish painting it, but the only thing inside it is my daughters bicycle. The kids had fun riding around in it while it was raining earlier this week.

I am hesitant to put anything out there yet, or even park a car in it since I want to put down an epoxy floor first. I have done some reading about this and decided against paint, and the Lowe's, Valspar, Rustoleum variety epoxies. I have read about problems with them lifting from hot tires and just not being durable in general. Plus, I really like the epoxy look with those sexy speckles on a glossy floor :D I am looking at epoxies that have a high solids content, then considering a urethane sacrificial coating on top, although that is probably overkill. It looks like a challenging, and involved process where timing and temp are critical. Have any of you guys tackled this before? Any recommendations for systems?

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Jordan Normark wrote:
As of Monday, the last 2 of the 3 final inspections (zoning and watershed) passed. Following Rodney's thread, I feel like a slacker. I did finish painting it, but the only thing inside it is my daughters bicycle. The kids had fun riding around in it while it was raining earlier this week.

I am hesitant to put anything out there yet, or even park a car in it since I want to put down an epoxy floor first. I have done some reading about this and decided against paint, and the Lowe's, Valspar, Rustoleum variety epoxies. I have read about problems with them lifting from hot tires and just not being durable in general. Plus, I really like the epoxy look with those sexy speckles on a glossy floor :D I am looking at epoxies that have a high solids content, then considering a urethane sacrificial coating on top, although that is probably overkill. It looks like a challenging, and involved process where timing and temp are critical. Have any of you guys tackled this before? Any recommendations for systems?



I've been bad and although I've bought Epoxy Coat I haven't done it yet. So i have to do a bit of cleaning. Dustin used it on his and it looks like it lasts pretty well. I almost went with a product called "Lastiseal" It is more of a penetrating protector than a coating but I know someone who used it and recommended it.

https://www.epoxy-coat.com/

http://www.radonseal.com/concrete-sealers/lastiseal.htm


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 Post subject: Re: Garage Build
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:28 pm 
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That looks like a really nice shop. This look like about the same size as I have been wanting to build. Maybe I missed it, but what are the dimensions?


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Thanks For the link. It's getting a little cold now for epoxy, and I have been pretty busy lately. Hope you finish yours first so I can learn from your experience.

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 Post subject: Re: Garage Build
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Alec Moody wrote:
That looks like a really nice shop. This look like about the same size as I have been wanting to build. Maybe I missed it, but what are the dimensions?


It's 32 across the front, 22 deep.

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 Post subject: Re: Garage Build
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Made some progress on the outside over the last few weeks. Thanks to some research and Rob L's recommendation, I purchased my floor epoxy. I am waiting for the outside concrete to cure a little longer before beginning the process of applying it since I have to acid etch the floor and I don't want to rinse the acid solution onto the uncured concrete driveway.

The epoxy kit is a 100% solids kit, so not as easy or forgiving as the box store epoxy paints, but it will be more durable. I have been reading the instructions over and over, so hopefully when the time comes, I can hustle through the job and end up with a good looking, uniform speckled floor.

Edit: I don't know why 2 of the pictures are incorrectly oriented. They were correctly oriented when I uploaded them from my phone after using the "desqueeze" app to re-size them. Is there an easy fix?


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The awning is a really nice touch.

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 Post subject: Re: Garage Build
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Jordan Normark wrote:
Made some progress on the outside over the last few weeks. Thanks to some research and Rob L's recommendation, I purchased my floor epoxy. I am waiting for the outside concrete to cure a little longer before beginning the process of applying it since I have to acid etch the floor and I don't want to rinse the acid solution onto the uncured concrete driveway.

The epoxy kit is a 100% solids kit, so not as easy or forgiving as the box store epoxy paints, but it will be more durable. I have been reading the instructions over and over, so hopefully when the time comes, I can hustle through the job and end up with a good looking, uniform speckled floor.

Edit: I don't know why 2 of the pictures are incorrectly oriented. They were correctly oriented when I uploaded them from my phone after using the "desqueeze" app to re-size them. Is there an easy fix?


Jordan, As Rob said, I put down EpoxyCoat right after I finished my garage, probably 7 years ago now... No complaints and I'd do it again.. As I'm sure you've read, surface prep is key, and I was anal about it, but I have had ZERO lifting problems. I have some imperfections:
- heavy weld splatter caused very small burn marks in a couple spots
- an old leaky brake system on a junk car somehow caused a stain, though I have had zero effect from any other car fluid, including other brake and hydraulic fluids that wipe right up after extended periods on the floor.
- chipped / heavily scratched areas where concrete itself couldn't/didn't survive unscathed.

Mine's also been neglected and in a working garage, so no longer a pristine example, but when I feel the need, it's easy to clean up. A friend did his at the same time I did mine, and his garage is somewhat less abused than mine and floor looks better, but then again, I haven't really cleaned mine for a couple years :-).

Couple tips:
- Applying when cool is better than when warm (obviously witin the limits of the epoxy). the Curing is VERY exothermic (the application bucket will get warm) so let ambient work in your favor. You want the process to be slower not faster
- Plan your sections so you can keep a wet edge. This is key to not seeing the transitions from section to section, and is aided if you can do it when cooler
- caulk all cracks, no matter how small. This stuff isn't water, but it's amazing how much will seem to get lost in a little crack.
- Find/Use a good quality roller. I had a couple different ones ready to go, and found one was not sturdy enough, causing the fibers to let loose.
- When applying texture and flakes, follow directions and throw those suckers UP in the air and distribute as much as possible.
- Make sure to have shoe spikes. You are going to need to cross over some of your already-done work to roll that area you just can't get to otherwise, etc....
- Use Lots! I think I put mine on at 140-150% of the the typical "standard" thickness, and my friend did something like 200%. The heavier application did cause more heat buildup, making the transitions slightly more tricky
- A clear-coat topper would probably make it last a good bit longer (I did not do it, but _might_ at last consider if I were to do again).. though definitely use the traction stuff as this will reduce the texture from flakes.

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 Post subject: Re: Garage Build
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clinehall wrote:
The awning is a really nice touch.


I am really liking the awning, it's nice to get that drip edge out a little more and have a place to stand...Sure it "Yuppies" up the garage a little but, hey, this is North Raleigh.

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 Post subject: Re: Garage Build
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Great to have your testimonial Dustin.

The instructions are adamant about getting the epoxy out of the bucket right away after mixing to prevent rapid curing. They recommend pouring a line a couple of feet from walls, then using the brush to cut in from there. I bought a larger (18") squeegee than the dinky 10" ikea shower deal that the kit came with. I am hoping I can move a little faster through the sections with this.

I am a little worried about keeping a wet edge between sections (6). Where you able to back-roll the area between transitions without the previous section lifting?

Also, the instructions recommend flaking a section after the second back-roll. If I do that, it seems like the chips will not be uniform in the area between the sections. I wonder if I could wait until I finish all the sections to flake it or will the floor have cured too much by then? By the way, A friend of mine gave me some old golf shoes so I can move about the wet floor :)

I plan to skip the texture granules. I read they only last for a few years before wearing away. should I re-consider?

Why did you put the floor down thicker, just for more durability, or was it difficult to squeegee out? I purchased 1 full, and 1 half kit which translates to 750 sqft at 9.7 mils. My garage is just under 700 sqft, so I don't have a lot of room for error/waste.

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Jordan Normark wrote:
Great to have your testimonial Dustin.

The instructions are adamant about getting the epoxy out of the bucket right away after mixing to prevent rapid curing. They recommend pouring a line a couple of feet from walls, then using the brush to cut in from there. I bought a larger (18") squeegee than the dinky 10" ikea shower deal that the kit came with. I am hoping I can move a little faster through the sections with this.

I am a little worried about keeping a wet edge between sections (6). Where you able to back-roll the area between transitions without the previous section lifting?

Also, the instructions recommend flaking a section after the second back-roll. If I do that, it seems like the chips will not be uniform in the area between the sections. I wonder if I could wait until I finish all the sections to flake it or will the floor have cured too much by then? By the way, A friend of mine gave me some old golf shoes so I can move about the wet floor :)

I plan to skip the texture granules. I read they only last for a few years before wearing away. should I re-consider?

Why did you put the floor down thicker, just for more durability, or was it difficult to squeegee out? I purchased 1 full, and 1 half kit which translates to 750 sqft at 9.7 mils. My garage is just under 700 sqft, so I don't have a lot of room for error/waste.


You can roll through the wet edge - it will be "stickier" and will keep more texture from the roller, but if you can make it back to that edge before it gets TOO sticky, it will all level out and you won't notice. The old section absolutely won't "lift"... but if you wait too long it will be like trying to roll through a layer of honey. When you bring the wet edge up to the less wet edge from a prior section that is already paint-chipped, you may roll over a few chips... you won't notice, just keep rolling. When you are applying chips, don't forget to stand back and take in the full scope of what you are doing... it's easy to over-focus on one spot and get it inconsistent with the rest.

Texture may wear away (I've noticed this), but I might still consider it for safety. I do recall it being harsher when new (and it does impede cleaning). I have no issue with mine now (good balance of texture/grip), but as I mentioned before, I also used a LOT of paint chips which adds to this.

Thickness was indeed just for Durability. I did 2 full kits for something like 780 sf. I suspect "enough" is perfectly fine, but with the biggest cost being labor, I didn't worry about the extra material cost (and no more labor to put it down). Honestly, for longest lasting and best looking, using what you have now + a clear coat topper would probably be ideal - best of both worlds, but again, I didn't do a clear and I'm still happy.

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With good, warm weather for the next few days, I wanted to go ahead and get the epoxy floor done this afternoon. Things went mostly as planned, with a few exceptions. First, it was windy and I ended up with some dirt and grit blowing in while I was working, but hey its a garage, so nothing I cant live with. Second, bubbles. The instructions say to roll each section, then come back and back roll again to eliminate bubbles. Well, I ended up back rolling a couple of areas six times, up to the point the epoxy was on the threshold of being unworkable, and I still had bubbles popping up. Other epoxy kits come with a primer, but not this one. I think a primer or sealer would have prevented the bubble problem. My solution was to tape multiple poles together with a nail taped to the end. Between my boards, the side window and the long pole, I could reach the worst areas and pop the bubbles while the epoxy was still wet enough to fill and not leave craters. Since I was liking the look of the floor with out the chips, I decided to forgo them...plus I was concerned about dealing with the bubbles. So far I am happy with how it turned out.


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 Post subject: Re: Garage Build
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That is great work Jordan. That's a lot of work, but it looks like it will be worth it. - AB

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You are so much smarter than me. I haven't even coated yet, so I have some cleaning I'll have to do. Luckily we've been trying to clean up as we go along. Drywall is going in I think tomorrow so I can't wait to get stuff back off the floor and onto the walls.

If you need more practice you can do my floor :lol:

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