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 Post subject: Re: Look who (or what) turns 25 this month!
PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:44 am 
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Brand new Ruby Red Mustang GT with performance pack now resides in our garage. Picked it up today at Asheboro Ford. :D


I am interested to hear your initial impressions.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:37 pm 
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Jordan Normark wrote:
DickRasmussen wrote:
Brand new Ruby Red Mustang GT with performance pack now resides in our garage. Picked it up today at Asheboro Ford. :D


I am interested to hear your initial impressions.


Only gentle driving so far since I believe in following the tire break in recommendations, especially with summer tires at temps below their "intended use", and also giving the mechanical stuff a chance to break in per the owner's manual.

Initial impressions after only 260 gentle miles confirm the test drive and magazine article impressions. It is a very nice car compared to even the relatively refined (for a Mustang :D ) 2012 GT automatic. Seats are significantly more comfortable for me than the 12's. The "ride" with the performance pack is usually more comfortable than the 12 was with stock shocks or full soft Koni Sports. Visibility for me is better overall. Of course the engine feels the same other than the differences between driving a manual trans again versus the automatics in the 97 and the 12. Shifter and clutch behave well.

For me as a long time Mustang guy the improvements were obvious almost as soon as the first moments of sitting in one at the dealer. Certainly after a couple of easy test drives. I've driven a standard GT manual, and Premium EcoBoost automatic, a V6 automatic, and now a standard GT manual with performance pack. Obviously for performance use the GT or Ecoboost performance packs are "mandatory" since the "internet" says there are significant upgrades to bushings that are not mentioned in the sales info.

Edit to add: I have no clue what the Top Gear guys were complaining about with the Torsen in their car. The two Performance Pack GT's I've driven, including mine, don't "do" anything even noticeable and there is no "sound" from the rear diff . . . not even the normal Mustang gear whine. I'm assuming that when I start driving a bit harder the inside rear tires will slip a bit just like with a Traction - Lok Mustang.

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 Post subject: Re: Look who (or what) turns 25 this month!
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:29 am 
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Dick,

I guess you decided to visit our neighbor club event yesterday. :( I was looking forward to checking out the new ride. We rented a 2015 Ecoboost coupe on the west coast a few weeks back in San Diego, and after a few days there drove the PCH most of the way from Malibu up to Monterey on our way to SF. This was from Avis by the way, and the Mustang was $12/day more than the standard issue Camry -- nice deal, and by far the best rental car I've ever had. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Look who (or what) turns 25 this month!
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:54 am 
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Chuck Branscomb wrote:
Dick,

I guess you decided to visit our neighbor club event yesterday. :( I was looking forward to checking out the new ride. We rented a 2015 Ecoboost coupe on the west coast a few weeks back in San Diego, and after a few days there drove the PCH most of the way from Malibu up to Monterey on our way to SF. This was from Avis by the way, and the Mustang was $12/day more than the standard issue Camry -- nice deal, and by far the best rental car I've ever had. :)


Chuck -

Glad to hear you like the Ecoboost which I assume was an automatic. The GT is even nicer. Last time I drove the PCH was in a Datsun Z a very long time ago. Great highway for driving and enjoying the view . . . but not necessarily at the same time. :lol:

Sorry to miss the THSCC event but I wanted to try a new set of Bridgestone RE-71R's plus a bigger rear anti-roll bar on a site with lots of slow 90's and 180's like LJVM. Plus the Feeny's were there with Michael's 2015 on ZII** to benchmark against (Matt was faster than me and Michael was slightly slower than me). Plus the Danville surface is relative hard on tires and 275/35x19's are not cheap. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Look who (or what) turns 25 this month!
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:12 pm 
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DickRasmussen wrote:
Chuck Branscomb wrote:
Dick,

I guess you decided to visit our neighbor club event yesterday. :( I was looking forward to checking out the new ride. We rented a 2015 Ecoboost coupe on the west coast a few weeks back in San Diego, and after a few days there drove the PCH most of the way from Malibu up to Monterey on our way to SF. This was from Avis by the way, and the Mustang was $12/day more than the standard issue Camry -- nice deal, and by far the best rental car I've ever had. :)


Chuck -

Glad to hear you like the Ecoboost which I assume was an automatic. The GT is even nicer. Last time I drove the PCH was in a Datsun Z a very long time ago. Great highway for driving and enjoying the view . . . but not necessarily at the same time. :lol:

Sorry to miss the THSCC event but I wanted to try a new set of Bridgestone RE-71R's plus a bigger rear anti-roll bar on a site with lots of slow 90's and 180's like LJVM. Plus the Feeny's were there with Michael's 2015 on ZII** to benchmark against (Matt was faster than me and Michael was slightly slower than me). Plus the Danville surface is relative hard on tires and 275/35x19's are not cheap. :(


I'm not up on Mustang specifics, but yeah, it was 6spd auto with paddle shifters. It was actually one of the most impressive automatics I've driven too (although I've not had much contact with automatic transmissions recently thankfully). Whoever programmed (and designed) the auto allowed it to do exactly what you want when it's in sport manual mode -- i.e. not upshift at redline and not downshift if you go to WOT in any gear you've chosen. That second part was especially nice on the PCH as I'd leave it in 3rd or 4th depending on the road, and then just use the large fat torque curve of the turbo motor pulling away from corners.

The moment I drove through the large Avis parking lot at LAX, I could tell this was unlike any Mustang I'd ever driven/ridden in before. The stiffness of the body-in-white was immediately apparent -- clearly it has a decently high torsional stiffness value, as it's apparent right away. The other thing that impressed me was how well the IRS worked over rough pavement, cornering with bumps, etc. Ford has done an excellent job with the spring rate and damper tuning on this car. It might have had some level of sport package but not the highest one (i.e. it had 245/50-18 Goodyear Eagle tires, which btw were pretty decent, nice and grippy, good total stick, etc).

Get this...on one tight entrance ramp, probably 40mph or so, I purposely overcooked the entry a bit (car nannies disabled) to see how the car behaved. It was understeering (as expected) a good bit with mediocre (at best unfortunately) feel of the front tire's contact patch, but I did a pretty big lift off the throttle, and the nose tucked right in and the tail rotated nicely such that after a short pause I could get back onto the throttle hard and power out of the corner. I had a huge smile on my face thinking "damn, this is the best rental car ever." :)

One thing I couldn't get over even after 9 days of driving it and right at 1000 miles (it only had 1200 miles on it when we got it btw) was the size of the car and especially the high and very long hood. It's impossible to know where the front corners of the car are, and the view from the driver's seat reminds me of driving a boat as it's coming up on plane. If Ford could build a car like this one, but in sedan form with a nice, tightly wrapped-around-you body design....oh well. Hence the body design/proportions/long doors/hood/etc kind of put the binders on thoughts of a GT350.

Oh one other thing on that auto. I had it in sport automatic mode a lot, and it did a great job almost knowing what I wanted/needed at various times. At one point it was in 3rd gear (it will hold a gear a long time if it senses you're driving aggressively enough) going into a rather tight left hander, and I had the thought that I'd like it if it was in 2nd instead. Without even thinking about it, I just did a quick jab and back on the throttle, and it immediately rev-matched downshifted into 2nd and was waiting and ready. In this case, I used 2nd's engine braking on turn-in and then blasted out of the corner. Nice programming since if you use the paddle to downshift in sport auto mode, it switches into manual mode which I didn't want.

Only issue of note was a horrible creaking/cracking like noise coming from the left rear window area. It mainly did that when it was cooler outside.

PCH was incredible as you noted. We mainly enjoyed the views which were unreal. Great experience. From San Diego to SF, we stayed in Malibu, Morro Bay and then Big Sur. I wish we had more time to do the path than 3 nights, so we could do some hiking and exploring various spots.

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 Post subject: Re: Look who (or what) turns 25 this month!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:15 am 
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I thought of a couple more things about the 2015 Mustang Ecoboost.

1) We picked it up at LAX and drove to San Diego but on the way stopped in Long Beach for lunch by the water. Coming out of the restaurant, I saw two guys looking at the car. As I approached they were waxing on a bit at how beautiful "my car" was and were surprised to find out it was a typical rental available from Avis already. Upon hearing that it was the Ecoboost, the son (it was a father/son) wanted to see the engine, etc. This type of reaction was repeated all through the time I drove the car as I got lots of questions about it, thumbs up from other drivers, etc. Then again SoCal is the home of automotive love, but even still the new 'stang is well loved in CA. Speaking of which, the "car scene" is so amazing out there.

2) Gas mileage -- amazing. For the performance the car provides, it's outstanding. Over the entire time, it averaged ~26mpg range (I reset it once mid-trip), but on the highway on cruise control at 70mph it was returning 33-34mpg.

3) Engine sound wasn't enjoyable. After reading Ford has the sound system provide support for engine sound, I tried hard to discern that, but wasn't really able to. As with many turbo motors, this one is best used in the fat midrange although it will pull decently to redline even if it sounds like it's not enjoying the process.

4) Trunk is huge and very useful.

5) Comfort access (or whatever Ford calls the smart key fob) worked great. The fob is huge though...much larger than I think it needs to be and annoying to carry in pocket. Bright LED projected Mustang horse on the ground at night when you open the door was unexpected.

6) Rear seat isn't useful for many adults (as expected I guess). My wife is 5'6", and her head was hitting the back window (which is above the seating position) especially on bumps. Once we got to SF and met up with my son, he tried sitting in the back and it wasn't possible. He's a bit over 6'.

Ok, that's it for now. I'm sure the Chevy guys think I'm a paid hack for Ford or a marketing agent in disguise.

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 Post subject: Re: Look who (or what) turns 25 this month!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:22 am 
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Chuck Branscomb wrote:
I'm sure the Chevy guys think I'm a paid hack for Ford or a marketing agent in disguise.


I'm just glad you have found an acceptable American car. As for the Ecoboost, still, no thanks. Give me the big bad 5.0 V8 and the music from the tailpipes that comes from it.

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 Post subject: Re: Look who (or what) turns 25 this month!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:40 am 
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Vincent Keene wrote:
Chuck Branscomb wrote:
I'm sure the Chevy guys think I'm a paid hack for Ford or a marketing agent in disguise.


I'm just glad you have found an acceptable American car. As for the Ecoboost, still, no thanks. Give me the big bad 5.0 V8 and the music from the tailpipes that comes from it.


Ha, well, it's probably the other way around...Ford is building cars today as world platform models and allowing engineers a lot of free reign perhaps. They got a LOT of things right with this new car. Speaking of American cars, I did buy a brand new one once...a 1985 Dodge Omni GLH Turbo, but I knew what I was getting into...didn't last too long, 2 years maybe, lol.

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 Post subject: Re: Look who (or what) turns 25 this month!
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