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[quote="steve remchakand Cline, I ask this. If the poor and the illegals get free or reduced cost health care why can't the middle class get a break too? As i mentioned to you earlier this week my less than stellar BCBS plan is jumping by 17% in January. My only option is to drop down another level for the second year in a row to a plan that basically covers nothing, cost too much monthly and I still have to pay for office visits and meds.

pardon me if my buttocks region feels abused. [/quote]

Steve, the poor and illegals are "getting a break" because you and I are already paying for it. It is built into the cost of health care and taxes now now, do you see any hospitals closing due to lack of funds. Hell NO! They are now advertising like McDonalds, every College Football Stadium I have been to is advertising at least one local hospital, that's because they know people who go to College Football have health care coverage so they get them in bill them out the wazoo to make enough profit to pay for thier growth and all those illegals, don't be fooled by them being NONPROFIT, that does not mean Nonbigasssalary paying.

If National Health Care goes through who is going to pay for it? Who is going to pay for our "middle class breaks" ???

Back to you comment on the recent legislation in San Fran, allow me to quote the article:

Our children are sick. Rates of obesity in San Francisco are disturbingly high, especially among children of color," said San Francisco Supervisor Eric Mar, who sponsored the measure.

Ok, now who is the target consumer at most McDonalds? Anybody willing to answer that? Ok, I will, minorities on government subsidies. Starting with LBJ and the great society, govt has incresingly taken over the roll of the family. It is accepted now that it does not make sense in the lower economic levels of society to be married. How many of us have more than two kids? Very few because we have to pay for everything they have so we do what we can afford. Right or wrong, sometimes we stay married in large part for economic reasons but it ends up being positive for the kids. In the case of these fat kids parents, they have no incentive to go higher on the ladder of success, they are chained at their current level.

So San Frans answer, regulate what these folks eat. Yeah, that works. If someone was a conspiray theorist they could go way down the line with this.

I need to stop, I am going to be branded an extreme right winger and probably worse.

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Pardon me if I ask a blunt question? Does Cline pay for the oil changes in your wife's X5? How about windshield washer fluid? How about new tires?

Why should your health insurance pay for your meds and office visits? That's part of the problem, we have been insulated from the true costs of this stuff and that has allowed them to skyrocket unfettered.

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oh, snap

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can somebody start a pool on what page this will go to before it gets locked? I'm taking 13

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http://www.clinehallagency.com

Don't oh snap me, Mister "you have a $500 deductible" on my wifes van now that I have to fix it after Bambi's dad ran into the side of it.

*grumble*

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I make more money the lower the deductible, you select your deductible. Everybody wants to save money when they buy insurance but they want everything paid when they use insurance.

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Wow Walter, you obviously read too much into what I said and took it as a personal attack. I don't doubt in the least that you know what socialism etc is/means. My first post where I mentioned that people need to educate themselves was in reference to what my 2nd post was about. As I said, polls 'suggest' that those who cry socialism don't know what it means. You very well are in that 10% who do know what it means and you certainly have the right to say there are socialist tendencies of the current administration. I only take offense to those who use the word without understanding it's true meaning.

My post is no different than my stance that a large part of our economic mess was due to consumer ignorance and the blame shouldn't fully be placed on banks with bad/unethical practices, because an educated consumer could have detected said practices and opted out of the credit card, auto loan, mortgage etc.

All I'm saying is that I prefer that people know what they are saying before they say it (or similarly, know what they are doing before they do it). Sorry if I offended you.

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To be fair, the Left always cries "Nazi!" every time a conservative says something upsetting to the Left. And did you ever get a chance to hear Maxine Waters or Cynthia McKinney speak on a topic? Uninformed hyping exists on both sides of the aisle, this much I know to be true.

James,
Do you have info regarding the poll suggesting people can't define socialism? My Google machine wasn't able to come up with something, but I haven't searched very long... If it's a survey about how, in general, students can't correctly define political ideology or locate the US on a map I'd like to read up more about that.

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Turns out he wants to be re-elected after all:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/40007621

If you're not in the market now, you'd better get there. With anti-business Pelosi and Obama softening there will be no room for discussing card check, cap and trade etc. which opens up headroom on P/E multiples. Combined with a falling dollar (good for repatriating US-based multinationals' earnings) and rising commodities, equity prices are going up. for now. How long, of course, is anyone's guess. Just don't be afraid to sell when the time comes.

Apparently the "Bernanke Punch Bowl" effect is strong as ever...

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Steve Carter
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2007 GPW Honda S2000-- STR 86

Hence my edit/note on my first post in this thread. I know both sides say a lot of illogical/ignorant things.

I'll ask the person who told me about the polls on whether people can define socialism. Granted I feel dumb for even bringing it up. Polls are usually crap and have a well know bias in favor of what they aim to accomplish, have less than ideal populations in both size and randomness...yadda yadda yadda.

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Changing the subject . . . quit picking on the land of fruits and nuts (aka california). I was born there, moved away after a few months, came back in my late 20's and then moved to Raleigh in my early 40's. Of course, Raleigh isn't really NC since it like California is a mixture of people from all over the country and the world.

They aren't any crazier than people in other states (of confusion), just different type of crazy. Kind of like car nuts.

Hey Jason, don't forget that except for the "fire" side of UL, it is "liberals" that keep you in business (aka consumer safety and product liability lawyers)

Dick (still making a living from my long UL career)

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Interesting. I didn't know I said that as often as I apparently do.

I am trying to not generalize, I hope others do the same! Lets keep it friendly folks. I apologize for my earlier California comments.

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That is the truth.

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Yes, and actually the commerce clause is the one that is closest to God for the conservatives now (This is not necessarily a pejorative statement). This is a similar time to the period before the Civil War and when FDR took office in terms of political co-operation amongst parties.

Hey, I'm cynical about politics because I don't see any statesmanship or a will to do whats best for the country - if that means that one party has to co-operate with the other and that means that party "wins" . Any Win for the other party is a loss for mine. They would rather see this country go down the drain so they can blame the other party and then they can come in and start the whole vicious cycle over again.

That said, I can appreciate a good political discussion but it has degraded in many cases to one side calling the other Nazis the other being called Socialists when neither is really true. There is nothing better than a civil debate. I have these with friends - many of whom disagree with me - but when these debates debase into name calling and exaggerated claims no one learns anything. Or are we all too right to learn.

why can't we all just get along..