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 Post subject: Looks like the club should expect fewer young members
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:27 pm 
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well thank the good lord for this blessing. the N&O recently did a write-up about this sorry ass pampered self-entitled generation and apparently............. much to their chagrin......... they are having to work for a living.

maybe they will take to the streets and STOP -THE- WARS. they sure as hell haven't earned their keep so far.

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Hey, I know: I recently tried to hire some local college graduates and was disgusted enough to write a "helpful" essay on what it would take to get me to hire one of their candy asses. There was only one reply, and I subsequently hired him despite no degree and a work history consisting of menial, low paying jobs, because he knew more about computer science than any graduating senior.


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yeah, sorry Cheez. that is just tooooo long for me to read. :lol: :lol:

sorry bastages, like they think nobody has ever been lazy before. i blame the school system. my kid is 15 and don't know shit about history. apparently history can't repeat if nobody knows what history was.

i also blame the Republicans. since apparently they are trying to either re-write or blot out the past 8 years of history. sorry bastages. :lol:

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yeah, sorry Cheez. that is just tooooo long for me to read. :lol: :lol:

sorry bastages, like they think nobody has ever been lazy before. i blame the school system. my kid is 15 and don't know shit about history. apparently history can't repeat if nobody knows what history was.

i also blame the Republicans. since apparently they are trying to either re-write or blot out the past 8 years of history. sorry bastages. :lol:


I'm thinking Steverino's recent history involves The King Of Beers.

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steve remchak wrote:
apparently history can't repeat if nobody knows what history was.

i also blame the Republicans. since apparently they are trying to either re-write or blot out the past 8 years of history. sorry bastages. :lol:


Agree. :lol: I'm currently reading a mystery/detective novel series based around the Great (instead of "almost") Depression and the beginning of WWII. History certainly repeats right down to the NASTY lies.

FYI the books were written in the 80's or so about events in the 30's and early 40's but the statements/charges/lies sound like this year's sound bites.

Oops. Better get to actually working . . . :wink:

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steve remchak wrote:
well thank the good lord for this blessing. the N&O recently did a write-up about this sorry ass pampered self-entitled generation and apparently............. much to their chagrin......... they are having to work for a living.

You're a democrat and complaining about self-entitlement?

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 Post subject: Re: Looks like the club should expect fewer young members
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I think the peak was 2006. I had what turned into an extra long lunch in the fall of 2006 with an intense car-guy who runs a very successful web business. My take at the time was "what's next?" The 500hp E60 M5 was just out, the 500+hp Z06 was just out, etc. We ended that lunch with the strong opinion that we were near a major turning point in society. The housing boom was supposedly still going, but the homebuilder's index had already topped in 2005, and had been short (trend system) for months already, but the hoopla continued in the media.

We asked ourselves questions like "will every new model Vette, M5, etc, from now on have a 20% increase in power?" "Will the 2012 cars have 600hp? 700hp? 1000hp?" "Where, when and how does this trend end?" We knew that "something was up" since that huge uptrend simply had to top from a socionomic point of view. When the trend has been up THAT long, and everybody is fully on-board, it's time to sit close to the exit door.

Now, 4 years later, I'm wondering what direction this "new future" we discussed will actually take. We've had a step change, a discontinuity, due to FINALLY breaking the back of a 40 year unfettered world-wide expansion in credit. Back in the fall of 2006 you could still get an Alt-A loan with no credit check and no income verification, and our own federal government was waiting behind the scenes to buy it off the issuer and take all the risk (Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac). I mean, Greece even sold the future landing rights income in Athens for an upfront massive payment -- then went and spent that money for current needs. This list of insanity like this would take pages to account. Borrow from the future in huge quantities, and spend it for current needs.

Simply insane activity was occurring which the majority thought was "normal" simply because it was happening. Hopefully sanity will prevail someday without all of this bickering and blaming when people look at the big picture and see that what happened was a world-wide blow-off, a massive data outlier in the history of the world's economies. 500, 600hp cars were just a symptom, a barometer of that moment in history. We humans won't accept outlier events, so we go about trying to prevent the next outlier event, with our biased and demented view of what happened most recently, which simply lays the groundwork for yet more trouble in areas we don't even consider...and so it goes.

Hence here we are. 10 years on we're going to look back on this era as the "good old days" just like in the late 70's I was looking back at the muscle car era peak in 68-70 as the most awesome time to be a car nut imaginable. There should be some period where extreme cars of today become almost worthless (example, a good friend of mine in high school bought a 1968 Shelby Mustang GT500KR vert for $3k in 1975).

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 Post subject: Re: Looks like the club should expect fewer young members
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[quote="Chuck Branscomb"]500, 600hp cars were just a symptom, a barometer of that moment in history./quote]

Driving a '98 M3 its funny how the current model gets the same gas mileage but has twice the horsepower. I'd be happy if the M3 had the same horsepower as '98 with twice the gas mileage. And lighter.

BTW, $3K in '75 is the same as $12,173.53 today :-)

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Steve, you sure use blanket statements like Republicans do :).

I'd say I fall into that group of people from an age perspective. I come from a family where my father only has a HS diploma (barely) and has been a truck driver since age 18. My mom just got her BA at age 46 and only has had a steady job since 2000. They never pressured me or really paid attention to my academic success. I did well because *I* wanted to do well. I got through NC public schools (1-2 years behind my school in NJ...also public so I had to teach myself if I wanted to be in the least bit stimulated). I went to a top private university, busted my ass, graduated in the top 3% of the engineering school.

I can take cars apart and put them back together, I can do residential wiring, plumbing, welding, light wood work, I bought a house at 25, I revolve no debt other than my student loans and mortgage, I take advantage of my CC companies instead of the other way around, I heavily save and invest my money, I do my taxes myself with pen and paper (schedule D too), my credit score is over 800, I clean my own house, I cook 5-6 evenings a week, I mow/seed/aerate my own yard, I have a 8 year old CRT TV.

My wife has a very similar story too, so we probably aren't the only ones. And yet we turned out to be Democrats :)....who'd have thought ;).

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Michael Czeiszperger wrote:
BTW, $3K in '75 is the same as $12,173.53 today :-)


Yep, so imagine buying a 7 year old C6 Z06 for $12k in 2013. :wink: ...and then selling it for $400,000 in 2043. :lol:

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Chuck Branscomb wrote:
Michael Czeiszperger wrote:
BTW, $3K in '75 is the same as $12,173.53 today :-)


Yep, so imagine buying a 7 year old C6 Z06 for $12k in 2013. :wink: ...and then selling it for $400,000 in 2043. :lol:


You can buy a C5 now for not much more than that.

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As a 22-year-old, I think I have a lot of authority on this subject. Oh wait, that's a classic fallacy.

Perception has always skewed to being nostalgic and how terrible things are now. I will admit that people my age do seem to be in some sort of fugue state with the bill being paid by mommy and daddy. However, I'm also keen to see how screwed this generation is because we get to foot the bill for how self-important and self-entitled the baby boomers are.

Just remember, generation y is a product of your generation's fine parenting.


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As a 22-year-old, I think I have a lot of authority on this subject. Oh wait, that's a classic fallacy.

Perception has always skewed to being nostalgic and how terrible things are now. I will admit that people my age do seem to be in some sort of fugue state with the bill being paid by mommy and daddy. However, I'm also keen to see how screwed this generation is because we get to foot the bill for how self-important and self-entitled the baby boomers are.

Just remember, generation y is a product of your generation's fine parenting.


Andrew,

I have a lot of confidence in your generation (and two kids about your age, 21 and 23). Hopefully, your generation can see through the smoke and fog of the political landscape on both sides and FORCE through the changes that will lead to long-term robustness of our country and economy as opposed to the short term "prop-up-the-corpse" type of behavior that's been taught to the minions filing through "MBA" programs in the past 20 years.

You guys unfortunately don't have any choice as our country has saddled you with debt beyond comprehension and massive unfunded (or horrifically underfunded) liabilities (medicare, medicaid, social security, and government pensions). The baby boomer generation has milked the future for everything they can in order to party in the present...just like Greece selling the future landing rights at Athens airport only to blow all that money they got right out the door. At this point in time, all efforts are being made to reinflate that humongous credit bubble (i.e. FHA loans available for essentially nothing down) at all costs -- likely not a valid long-term, robust idea.

Your generation must break with this past. A clean break where all this prior behavior isn't rewarded any longer.

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