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 Post subject: Looking for small trailer spindles/hubs (or parts trailer)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:38 am 
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I'm going to use some scrap steel to build a VERY light trailer for my canoe, using tiny trailer tires on 8-inch rims (4.80-8). I can get tire with rim new for $20, but the spindles and hubs cost more, so would be cheaper (or free?!) used.

Does anyone have an old trailer or trailer axle with 4 (lug) on 4 (inch) or 5 (lug) on 4.5 (inch) bolt pattern they want to get rid of? If it has the small tires/wheels, even better!

I don't care about any of the parts other than spindles, hubs, and wheels/tires, but have no problem using my car trailer to haul off a whole axle or trailer to get the parts. Or I could chop off the parts I need at your house if you want to keep the rest.

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for small trailer spindles/hubs (or parts traile
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:48 pm 
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Don't have what you're looking for, but have you checked Agri Supply in Garner for new parts?? I recently had to replace the bearings on a small utility trailer we use around the farm, and I ended up buying a new hub for like $17 vs. ~$12 for just the bearings plus $4-5 for the seal. The hub included both bearings, seal, and grease cap.

They also have axles with spindles, or just the spindles that you weld into a round or square piece of tubing.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking for small trailer spindles/hubs (or parts traile
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:41 am 
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Good point Bret. I'd be in spindles/hubs/bearings about $90 for the pair, so I may go new.

But I'd like get usable parts cheaper/free if I can. (Is there a cheapskate emoticon on here?)

Of course it wouldn't be worth it if the used parts were not usable, because I'd end up spending the money on new parts anyway.

This trailer is not going to see a lot of miles, plus I'm having trouble finding the money to spend, so trying to do it as cheap as I can, and get the canoe to the water more often with my 4yo daughter.

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for small trailer spindles/hubs (or parts traile
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:33 am 
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Ryan might have a spare hub he can give you. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for small trailer spindles/hubs (or parts traile
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:36 am 
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RichardNuss wrote:
Good point Bret. I'd be in spindles/hubs/bearings about $90 for the pair, so I may go new.

But I'd like get usable parts cheaper/free if I can. (Is there a cheapskate emoticon on here?)

Of course it wouldn't be worth it if the used parts were not usable, because I'd end up spending the money on new parts anyway.

This trailer is not going to see a lot of miles, plus I'm having trouble finding the money to spend, so trying to do it as cheap as I can, and get the canoe to the water more often with my 4yo daughter.


Since wou're looking for wheels so small, I assume you're looking to put the wheels under the canoe.

How about a redesign and look for motorcycle front wheels/hubs? Probably more common "used/free" than trailer hubs.

Just an idea, not even sure how you'd attach the axle. But a boat trailer made out of 2 old motorcycles would be bitchin.

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for small trailer spindles/hubs (or parts traile
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:50 pm 
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OK, full explanation of what I'm doing. I didn’t want to bore folks with this, but since you asked… :)

When we camp, there is often a lake, but we are not camped right beside it - you have to walk or drive to it. For the trip to camp, I haul the canoe on the roof of my Suburban because I am towing my Airstream behind (can't tow the canoe from home on a trailer). While at camp, it is often just me and my daughter that hit the lake, especially if early in the morning (wife and youngest daughter still sleeping). We have to drive the Suburban to the lake with the canoe on the roof. My daughter is too small to help me get the canoe off the roof and into the water. Even for my wife and I, it’s not “easy”, which leads her saying “let’s just not take the canoe”, etc.

So I am going to build a trailer that is light enough to carry upside down on top of the canoe on top of my Suburban. Less than 100 pounds, hopefully significantly less, like 50 pounds. Then when we get to camp, we unload the whole canoe/trailer assmbly once, and then I can tow the canoe back and forth to the boat ramp on the trailer, and can easily launch with just me and my daughter by backing the trailer into the water.

Something like this (but not using a roof rack bar system because I can’t launch from that. Notice that this has tires similar to what Mike suggested):
http://www.orsracksdirect.com/yakima-ra ... ilers.html
Or what I want is even closer to this:
http://www.castlecraft.com/canoe_trailer.htm

But those are expensive and not exactly what I want anyway.

I will have the Canoe directly resting on the metal trailer frame, probably 2 bars, supporting most of its length, rather than sitting on “bunks”. Really just the 2 long frame members fairly close together, wheels near the back with no suspension, a few crossmembers with bars bending up to vertical to vaguely be side poles that hold the canoe in, and a tongue/coupler. If I do it right, I could also use this with my 12-ft Jon boat if we take it instead, which is the same width as the canoe. The two long frame rails will support the canoe better than short bunks.

I really want the wheels to be side-mounted (like “cantilevered”) rather than in double-shear like a bike or motorcycle fork, mainly because I don’t want to have a “fork”. Just for simplicity, and because that’s the way I pictured it. :) But if it would work with fork-mounted tires, I’d be fine with that. Maybe even with the “fork” made by a short piece of tube that runs horizontal beside the trailer frame, putting the wheel hub in double-shear.

I thought about using bicycle tires, especially ones off a trailer for kids that you pull behind a bike, since the trailer tires are mounted cantilevered. I am 100% sure this would work for the amount of weight I’m talking about (200 pounds at most), and would be fine for driving between campground and lake. But then I thought it would be nice to have tires that are rated for highway speeds, in case I need to pull it a few miles down the road for some reason, or even to use at home – we only live 5 miles from a Jordan Lake boat ramp, so this would be a convenient trailer to use for those short trips as well.

The tiny trailer tires/wheels are called 4.80-8, weigh about 10-11 pounds with rim, and look like this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00758 ... d_i=507846

Then you’ve got the weight of the spindle/bearings/hub/lugs, which I think is about 10 pounds each side.
http://www.amazon.com/Tie-Down-Engineer ... er+spindle

These parts are really common used and new.

Would a motorcycle wheel/tire/axle/hub be lighter than 20 pounds? If so, then that’s a potential reason to go that way.

And how easy would it be to find 2 cheap/free motorcycle front wheels/tires of matching size? I don’t care what type they are, as long as they are DOT rated so there would be no issue with road speeds

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for small trailer spindles/hubs (or parts traile
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:42 pm 
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WAY more expensive than you have in mind, but it might help with ideas for yours:

http://www.trailerinabag.com

If you can make it easily assembled on-site, then you don't even need to roof-rack it to the camp.

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for small trailer spindles/hubs (or parts traile
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:24 pm 
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My Dad had something like this as I recall to help him get a small rowboat off the roof. I think he also had a dolly of some sort to help move it when it was off the roof but really don't remember. I'm pretty sure, however, that it was "special" as opposed to a normal hand truck type dolly. This would have been two or three decades ago.

Separate the loading/unloading from the rolling and you have more options.

They still used a travel trailer at the time so I don't know if what he had was hitch mounted "in series" with the trailer or was added as needed with the trailer already unhitched or ???



http://www.prolineracks.com/hitch-mount-boat-racks.html

http://www.autoanything.com/roof-racks/69A6612A0A0.aspx

http://www.seattlesportsco.com/productc ... roduct=711

http://www.boatbuildingonline.com/forum ... php?t=1055

http://www.sportchalet.com/product/3018 ... 1475581.do

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for small trailer spindles/hubs (or parts traile
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:55 pm 
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Got it now.

If it were me, I'd start with one of these and modify it. Especially if you're only moving it around in the park, no need to go over 25mph, etc. This would be a cheap way to get wheels, axle, and a frame:

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/grd/3386358221.html

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for small trailer spindles/hubs (or parts traile
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:01 pm 
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Missed you saying that you wanted to keep it DOT legal:

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/for/3311992988.html

or

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/grd/3325948978.html

or

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/sgd/3325950536.html

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for small trailer spindles/hubs (or parts traile
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:21 pm 
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The first and third one you posted Mike are the same trailer :) Dude should be flagged for over posts :D - AB

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