Final TZC/THSCC DE & TT of the year...

Karl Shultz · **Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:47 pm

Donnie, I may have missed it since I was at the skidpad all weekend, but I don't remember even seeing a Lotus there.

Wes was in the 46s on Saturday, and the 45s on Sunday before he had an off and DNF'd. I haven't ridden in a 911 in many years, and I'm head over heels in love with that car.

Mark Cooper was also seriously wheeling his E30 - 51s, if I remember correctly.

Stacy King · **Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:49 pm

Thanks to everyone who came out this weekend! You guys make our events great for us as well!

Donnie... Tom Barnett ran a 1:46.1 for FTD Saturday (Turbo 280Z). Your 1:49's would have put you in the top 7 for Saturday (when most people ran the TT.) Wes had a 1:46.5 but DNF'd because of a spin.

The exige didn't stay for the weekend, and I doubt he had a roll bar in it anyway.

Stacy King · **Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:52 pm

Can just have another moment in the sun by saying I beat April again! This time by a scant .067 of a second :thumbsup:

Stacy King · **Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:57 pm

Stacy King wrote:

Thanks to everyone who came out this weekend! You guys make our events great for us as well!

Donnie... Tom Barnett ran a 1:46.1 for FTD Saturday (Turbo 280Z). Your 1:49's would have put you in the top 7 for Saturday (when most people ran the TT.) Wes had a 1:46.5 but DNF'd because of a spin... says he was a 1:45 lap when he spun (according to the Tracmate predictive timer.)

The exige didn't stay for the weekend, and I doubt he had a roll bar in it anyway.

Todd Breakey · **Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:39 pm

Based on the last few posts, I think Stacy might be drunk posting!!! :toast:

Stacy King · **Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:57 pm

Todd Breakey wrote:

Based on the last few posts, I think Stacy might be drunk posting!!! :toast:

LOL ... :burp: .... naaah I wouldn't drinking while I post.

MikeWhitney · **Joined:** Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:15 pm **Posts:** 4724

Donnie Barnes wrote:

So, any results from the TT? I know there had to be at least a few cars faster than my Acura, but I'm curious how my 1:49's would have stacked up. It's 240HP and about 2650 with me in it. We were on two year old BFG R1's, though they were fairly "new."

--Donnie

1:49.9 on Sat for me. 240 WHP, ~3250lb with me, 1 year old R1s with 5 events on them (past prime). I'm happy with that

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:08 pm

MikeWhitney wrote:

1:49.9 on Sat for me. 240 WHP, ~3250lb with me, 1 year old R1s with 5 events on them (past prime). I'm happy with that

I'd say so. That's pretty good.

FWIW, my car is nowhere near ready yet. It's still very loose on bumps, which meant I couldn't go through the kink with any speed. Even swinging around it wide and just catching a little of that tiny bump was enough to send me around once. The exit of the carousel was also pretty tough to carry much speed through. It waled through 8 pretty well. Wanted to be loose in that new outer section some, but not bad. Did 14 pretty well. I couldn't touch the curbs at all in two and three or I was toast. Even just going off into that new concrete stuff on the entry to three was enough to unsettle it.

Got some new rear springs coming. We'll see.

Also FWIW, the Cayman on the new config on PS2's ran 1:45's with Leh Keen driving, low 1:46's with Brian Smith, and 1:47's with me (though I think Brian could have matched Leh...Leh had Farnbacher "underwriting" any damage he might have done and Brian had Brian underwriting himself). That's ~390WHP and 3150 with driver. On street tires. I gotta get that thing out there on some r-comps...

--Donnie

Kevin Harvey · **Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:39 pm

Jason Panciera wrote:

I'd like to start this entry with an apology to all for the oil I dumped all over turn 4 in the afternoon blue session. Seems a breather line at the oil tank popped off allowing a healthy bit of oil to slosh out of the tank and on to the track. I hope it didn't cause to much drama for anyone. I guess I have another thing to add to my pre-session check list.

No problems, Jason. When I came through there and the front suddenly pushed midway through the turn, I thought I had blistered a tire or gotten a flat or something. It definitely got my attention! A good learning moment for me as I have never hit oil on the track before.

Kevin

Kevin Harvey · **Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:54 pm

I also wanted to say Ron did a great job of introducing some of Ross Bentley's topics into the Blue Group classroom sessions.

Thanks Ron!

MikeWhitney · **Joined:** Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:15 pm **Posts:** 4724

Here's some video from the Sunday TT, 1:50.4 lap. Car is handling a little odd on BFG R1's that are past their prime. The car is REALLY sensitive to the pavement patches within the corners. As a result there is some drama at 3:00, 3:25, 4:15, 4:30, and 7:05. At 5:15 you can see a certain 993 in the grass at T11

Thanks for the FTD trophy Wes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qemn5vabUk

Video is from a DSC-W1 camera and a bit washed out but you get the full effect of my hack-master driving style

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:46 pm

Kevin Harvey wrote:

No problems, Jason. When I came through there and the front suddenly pushed midway through the turn, I thought I had blistered a tire or gotten a flat or something. It definitely got my attention! A good learning moment for me as I have never hit oil on the track before.

I forgot you were there Kevin. I don't think we have met in person, but I keep forgetting to go and visit your pit. You could have possibly made my ride home easier if you happened to have a spare Cobra front rotor. Mine were one event old so I didn't bring any spares and as luck would have it one got cracked. :roll:

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:12 pm

MikeWhitney wrote:

Video is from a DSC-W1 camera and a bit washed out but you get the full effect of my hack-master driving style

You need a camera with better white balance or you need to get it forward to get more of the dash out of the picture (which will lose the hands and I'm sure you don't *want* to do that). My first "cone-cam" did that.

As for the "hack-master" thing, I assumed you were joking until I watched it. You do a turn-open-turn before almost every apex. Are you loosening the car up with that, or do you just have a bad habit of turning in too much? Yes, some sawing of the wheel is normal in the carousel, and you do the twitch a lot less in the faster corners, but it's pretty pronounced in some of the slower corners. Which makes me think you're doing it on purpose...but it's hard to tell much about the car attitude in the video.

--Donnie

MikeWhitney · **Joined:** Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:15 pm **Posts:** 4724

Donnie Barnes wrote:

MikeWhitney wrote:

Video is from a DSC-W1 camera and a bit washed out but you get the full effect of my hack-master driving style

You need a camera with better white balance or you need to get it forward to get more of the dash out of the picture (which will lose the hands and I'm sure you don't *want* to do that). My first "cone-cam" did that.

As for the "hack-master" thing, I assumed you were joking until I watched it. You do a turn-open-turn before almost every apex. Are you loosening the car up with that, or do you just have a bad habit of turning in too much? Yes, some sawing of the wheel is normal in the carousel, and you do the twitch a lot less in the faster corners, but it's pretty pronounced in some of the slower corners. Which makes me think you're doing it on purpose...but it's hard to tell much about the car attitude in the video.

--Donnie

The car oversteers at turn-in on 1, 3, 8, and 14. If you look at the pavement on those corners, the "grippy" patch starts about 1/2 of the way from turn-in to apex. I could slow down the turn-in and entry speed but I have a lot of grip on the patch at apex. So I pitch the car in a little too fast for the available grip, deal with the oversteer, then by the time I'm on the darker pavement at the apex, all is good.

I didn't see many cars doing that, so it's likely a combination of aging tires and/or suspension setup.

On the grippier corners without the patch it's not an issue. I never, ever got a hint of oversteer in 12-13. Mild understeer in fact. So it's definitely a pavement/grip issue.

In the carousel it's just the bumps that make the car rotate. The pavement is nice and grippy all the way until about 20 feet from trackout, where it changes back to old slippery stuff. Same thing in 8 -- if I'm not judiciously straightening the wheel in those 2 turns at 3/4 of the way through, I'm going to end up in a spin.

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:12 pm

Vincent Keene wrote:

Kevin Harvey wrote:

No problems, Jason. When I came through there and the front suddenly pushed midway through the turn, I thought I had blistered a tire or gotten a flat or something. It definitely got my attention! A good learning moment for me as I have never hit oil on the track before.

I forgot you were there Kevin. I don't think we have met in person, but I keep forgetting to go and visit your pit. You could have possibly made my ride home easier if you happened to have a spare Cobra front rotor. Mine were one event old so I didn't bring any spares and as luck would have it one got cracked. :roll:

Ummm....you ate breakfast with him on Saturday morning.

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