Ferodo Racing Brake Pads is now a Major THSCC Sponsor

Patrice Bousquet · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:41 am

Karl Shultz wrote:

OK I don't currently own a track car and don't intend to for the foreseeable future, but still.

On my S2000, I have Hawk HP Plus pads at all four corners.

Karl

If you don't do track, the HPS will be more than adequate for AX and the street. I got them on the Miata, I got close to 40K miles on them, and I'm not really easy on them. They are quiet, don't do too much dust, and work well when cold.

David Spratte · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:10 am

Matt Nicholson wrote:

DS2500 is indeed a glorified street pad, much like HP+. And like HP+, I thinks it's too dusty/noisy for the average Joe on the street, and doesn't have enough fade resistance to be any use on track to anyone beyond novice group.

I'll second that. They squeal like a pig and dust like Pigpen. Although, I did feel like I was wringing a lot out of them at VIR-N. I'm hoping I have enough pad left to get me through CMP and then back to the OEM ATEs.

Mark Vitacco · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:02 am

I agree with Matt why are we comparing the DS2500 with a track
pad? The DS2500 is a street pad compared to the Hawk HTS. The best
you can hope for using a street pad at track temps is that it will
not fade and be consistant-but it will wear quickly. Wear will be an issue best case, worst case it will glaze and ruin both the pad and rotors.

Hawks race pads that I have run since the HT series came out
or the 9012 Blue are NOT rough on rotors when when are run in the
heat range they are designed to run and bedded in correctly. They leave a smooth polished surface. The original Hawk Blue had a reputation for being rough on rotors (as well as the PFC83) but we are talking
early to mid 1990's. Try to run a race pad at cold temps and it will surly be rough on rotors.

Would like to get feedback on the 3000, 3000+ and DSL II
in track applications. The DS2500 in street or autocross use.

Matt Nicholson · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:10 am

Quote:

The DS2500 in street or autocross use.

Should be very good for autocross use.

Chris Landi · **Joined:** Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:31 pm **Posts:** 579

Matt Nicholson wrote:

DS2500 is indeed a glorified street pad, much like HP+. And like HP+, I thinks it's too dusty/noisy for the average Joe on the street, and doesn't have enough fade resistance to be any use on track to anyone beyond novice group.

I don't find the dust to be too bad, certainly not as dusty as the oem pads on my car. The squealing was bad for a while but is diminishing over time. I love 'em for street/autoX.

Graham Jagger · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:53 am **Posts:** 1718

Mark Vitacco wrote:

Would like to get feedback on the 3000, 3000+ and DSL II
in track applications. The DS2500 in street or autocross use.

I need some feedback on those DS3000s Mark. Get that C4 out there and let me know how they work, wear, and how quickly they kill your rotors. Haven't had much luck finding other Vette owners who have run these.

I called Essex and their price with our discount on the DS3000/front and DS2500/rear for my car isn't bad but Ferodo is pretty darned proud of their pads.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:35 pm

Mark Vitacco wrote:

I agree with Matt why are we comparing the DS2500 with a track
pad? The DS2500 is a street pad compared to the Hawk HTS. The best
you can hope for using a street pad at track temps is that it will
not fade and be consistant-but it will wear quickly. Wear will be an issue best case, worst case it will glaze and ruin both the pad and rotors.

I had good stopping power on track and the street with the DS-2500s. I had to step down to a street/track combo pad to try and save my high dollar rotors. The pads did were very quickly and the rotors didn't fair too well either.

As the last event (VIR-F with ITRCA) I ran Hawk HP Plus pads and was happey with their feel and wear. Not having to change pads at the track is nice too.

When my brake project revison is complete in a couple of weeks I may be able to step back up to a full race pad like the Hawk HT-10. With cheaper rotors I won't be worried about their longevity as before.

Mark Vitacco · **Posted:** Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:55 pm

I put a set of Hawk HT10's back on the Scirocco and the
car stops fine, totally back to normal. My conclusion is the DS3000's just don't seem to work on the VW dispite the claimed coeficient .61

I realize this is an old compound-but its the onlyFerodo track pad offered for the VW so I'm back to Hawk HT10 (leaving our sponsors decals on the car
just like NASCAR !!!!!)

I have a set of heat treated Coleman HD Rotors on order, Graham. When
they get here will try their latest and greatest track pad, its not the 3000+
its the one above that-see my previous post.

Graham Jagger · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:53 am **Posts:** 1718

Mark Vitacco wrote:

I have a set of heat treated Coleman HD Rotors on order, Graham. When
they get here will try their latest and greatest track pad, its not the 3000+
its the one above that-see my previous post.

Mark -

Where are you getting the Coleman HD Rotors from and how much are they?

I'll call Essex back and see what the price is for the DS3000+. My quote was on the DS3000/DS2500. They're going to cost me about $80/set more for the fronts than a set of XP12s. The DS2500 rears are about $30/set more than XP10 rears. I can get Hawk DTC70/front and HT10/rear for less than the Ferodo also. So I'm going to have pretty high expectations at that cost.

Mark Vitacco · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:05 am

Graham:

I understand Jim Pastorious complained his car was not stopping well
either. For sure get the DTC70 from Hawk. You will not be disapointed.
The wear rate at race temps will make them cost effective.

Coleman does not make stock replacment stuff- strictly race car (actually stock car stuff) unless you convert to two piece rotors and hats. Give
Doug Rippie a call as he does two piece floating rotors for the C5 that
address the cracking issue. I have 1 - 3/8 x 13, 30 curved vain
HD thick stock car rotors they don't warp or crack. Origionally from
Willwood they are a bit heavy but lasted three years. That is a lot of
track miles carrying a passanger (I.e student)
The heat treated Colemans will last even longer.

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:26 am

Mark Vitacco wrote:

I understand Jim Pastorious complained his car was not stopping well either.

At Roebling and this past weekend at VIR, I experienced "dead Pedal" going into turn 1. That is a scary feeling. I backed the braking point up a marker and never had the issue again.

I am thinking of switching to the HT-10's for my car. They are not suppose to have the initial bites of the blacks. That is one thing I liked about the 2500's....

Maybe I have outgrown the DS2500's?

Mark Vitacco · **Posted:** Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:36 pm

The Ferodo DS1.11 is a winner! What a great racing pad.
Absolutly rock solid consistant with very high bite.
Amazing temp latitude. They stop so good cold I would
go as far as saying they would be a awsome autocross pad
(but you would want to change back to street pads for daily use).

I have run the DS1.11 at VIR (105 amb temps)
and Rockingham in the Corvette. Will publish wear rate when I get
my car back from HH&W.

Basically, I fould them to be evertying they claim:
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Ferodo’s DS1.11 is the top of the line in the Ferodo racing range. DS1.11 pads are based on Siloxanes ceramic technology and won’t decompose at high temperatures, as carbon-based materials do.

Performance remains exactly the same throughout the pad’s long life. DS1.11 pads are formulated to provide a very flat friction profile at a medium/high level of friction. The pad compression is very low, so pedal travel is short and consistent.

DS1.11 pads feature:

* High coefficient of friction (0.50) at all speeds and temperatures
* High initial bite
* Predictability and control because of unvarying torque output
* Low off-brake drag/excellent release

DS1.11 is recommended for use in A1GP, FIA GT, touring car, Formula cars and Group N.

WARNING: DS1.11 IS NOT SUITABLE FOR ON-ROAD USE.
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The down side is finding a set for your car.
They do not have wide spread vehicle coverage.
Many web sites still only list the 3000 and 3000+ which,
as far as I can tell, are obsolete compounds. They currently
do not offer the DS1.11 for the VW so I will continue to use the
HT10 Hawk.

I can't comment on the DS2500 as they don't offer this for
the Wilwood caliper and I don't use street pads on the
Scirocco as its a track only car.

Mark V

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