brake pad question...

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:11 pm

Steve Coleman wrote:

jimpastorius wrote:

I have upgraded to Ferodo DS3000 pads on the front, but still run the HPS on the rear. My brake pad budget is going to approach the tire budget.

Where do you get the Ferodos.Their DS-11s were the ONLY pads I was able to have any success with on my IMSA RS Opel sedan. Not too hard on the rotors, as were many full mettalics, but not too soft, just enough metal to last longer than anything eles. I seldom if ever see Ferodo mentioned these days...

Another 10-4 on the spares, I didn't think to mention that as it is so automatic with me.

TIA,

Steve

Sam Strano (stranoparts.com) suggested that I try the Ferodos and promptly sent me a set. The DS3000 have a better feel than the Blues. They have a more linear feel. The Hawks tend to grab and really throws the backend of the car around. And the Ferodos last maybe 50% longer than the Blues. Which is still a fairly short time on the Camaro.

Autosport Gallery can get them for you. As a matter of fact, he can do it in one day. You just need a very nice guy like Cline Hall to pick them up for you....thanks again Cline for waiting around until the UPS truck got there.

Since I am a nob to the track stuff, your results my vary.

Matt Nicholson · **Posted:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:02 pm

Quote:

Their DS-11s were the ONLY pads I was able to have any success with on my IMSA RS Opel sedan.

DS11. Asbestos based. Discontinued before many of us in the club were born. You just dated yourself....

HP+ for The Rock: The Rock is EASY on brakes. You'll likely be fine. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT go to CMP with HP+.

Ashraf Farrag · **Posted:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:11 pm

If you do run race pads like the Hawk Blues all around, my experience is that the rears will wear at about 1/2 the rate of the fronts.

Regards,
--Ashraf

Todd Breakey · **Posted:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:43 pm

Except for SN95 Mustangs. For some reason they are known to burn through rear pads much faster than fronts. And it doesn't matter what kind of pad I use either. I had HPS, HP+, stock, and Autozone Craptastics, and they all wear at the same relative rate. I've put 4 sets of rears on to 3 sets of fronts. And this is with only 2 HPDEs, 2 seasons of autocross and street driving. I have never figured this out, but it affects all Mustangs like mine. :shurg:

Graham Jagger · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:53 am **Posts:** 1718

Mike makes a good point. For your first 1-6 events there is nothing wrong with running street tires and pads. As long as they are decent street tires and pads. The HPS should be fine, so would HP+. For my first 5 events I ran the stock Z06 setup and it worked very well. It will force you to not overdrive your car and be smooth. Something you and your instructor will appreciate.

Also something not mentioned here. Balance your brake pad and tire performance. Race pads with street tires isn't such a good mix. For my 6th event I needed new tires and pads. So I got some Nitto R2s and Carbotech XP8s. That balanced well. The XP8 work with my GY F1 tires also and I can drive to and from the track on them. If you get race pads and they outrun your tires you will be into ABS all the time. And if you don't have ABS then your new past time will be flat spotting front tires...

If you're going to use existing brake pads make sure there is enough material left. You need it to dissipate heat. I'd suggest you have at least .250 of front pad. Most new front pads are .375 to .400. This is not including the backing plate in the measurement.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:34 am

Graham Jagger wrote:

If you get race pads and they outrun your tires you will be into ABS all the time.

Been there, still doing that! ABS is your friend...seriously.

Jason Panciera · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:04 am

Matt Nicholson wrote:

Quote:

HP+ for The Rock: The Rock is EASY on brakes. You'll likely be fine. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT go to CMP with HP+.

Why not?

Todd Breakey · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:17 am

I think that there are alot of heavy braking zones at CMP and the HP+ just aren't up to the task. Is that right Matt?

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:14 am

CMP = Carry More Pads

Patrice Bousquet · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:56 am

I did CMP a few times with HP+ without any problem, but, again, my car is light weight and the brake are relatively big for the car.
Matt convinced me this year to try his Carbotech pad, one that is equivalent to the HP+, I must say I like them and will buy them again.
I check them and they are good for 1 more track that will be Road Atlanta in 2 weeks. So after RA they will have 5 track weekend including one that was a 3 days event, also they work really good in Autocross . As for the rotor I think they are on the car since at least the last 4 years.

Patrice

Matt Nicholson · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:04 pm

My desk weighs more than your Porsche, Patrice. And Porsche brakes don't exactly suck.

Quote:

Why not?

Clearly, you've never been to CMP.

CMP turn 11 = brake system graveyard

Karl Shultz · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:19 pm

Matt Nicholson wrote:

CMP turn 11 = brake system graveyard

CMP turn 11 is the exact place where I realized Carbotechs (XP8s at the time I believe...the numbers, I think, go from 8 to 10 or 11 in order of technology marching on). I was racing an otherwise-identical Integra GS-R, and was getting *murdered* under braking going into 11 (and 12, and 13, and 14). The answer? Carbotechs.

Matt can stop me if I lie here, but I don't think I will.

The Carbotech street compound, the "Bobcat," bites HARD early and continues to wrest the car down. It's a wonderful street pad that will transform even something as heavy as a Ford Excursion (which I just sold to Kevin Butler, with Bobcats on it)

The Panther line is a little more the opposite. They're soft on initial tip-in compared to say a Hawk Blue, but my GAWD the ultimate stopping power is incredible. Very easy to modulate and very *not* an on-off switch. No ABS? No problem. Rain? No problem. Traffic? Only a problem for those behind you...

Carbotech, in my mind, "gets it." Even after having been sponsored by them for a year of Honda Challenge racing (I am no longer), I still buy their stuff for my personal vehicles. Both of Mom's cars will get Bobcats when the time comes, and my S4 already has them, as did my prior CRX.

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:19 am

Matt Nicholson wrote:

Quote:

Their DS-11s were the ONLY pads I was able to have any success with on my IMSA RS Opel sedan.

DS11. Asbestos based. Discontinued before many of us in the club were born. You just dated yourself....

Matt,

Are you certain they were asbestos based? Great. I used those pads exclusively back in the 80's.

They did work very well compared to anything else available at the time though.

Chuck

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

Chuck Branscomb wrote:

Matt Nicholson wrote:

Quote:

Their DS-11s were the ONLY pads I was able to have any success with on my IMSA RS Opel sedan.

DS11. Asbestos based. Discontinued before many of us in the club were born. You just dated yourself....

Matt,

Are you certain they were asbestos based? Great. I used those pads exclusively back in the 80's.

They did work very well compared to anything else available at the time though.

Chuck

Weren't all brake pads asbestos based until the 80s?

Matt Nicholson · **Posted:** Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:23 pm

Chuck, yes asbestos. They are ancient history now. Carbon took it's place (PFC actually trademarked "Carbon-Metallic"). We (Carbotech) have started using ceramic material.

If you haven't used a race pad in the last 20 years, prepare to be stunned. Friction materials have made quantum leaps in the last decade.

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