2012 John Mullis Memorial HPDE - VIR-F - September 7-9, 2012

Zach Hill · **Posted:** Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:19 pm

Carlton Whitehead wrote:

Here are my last couple of laps from my last session on Sunday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKO9PutrQcQ

Obligatory post of my video from this weekend, which was is my new personal best on Full Course, a 2:23.88: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxs7teGqJCI

RickyBeam · **Posted:** Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:15 pm

Marty Howard wrote:

One thing that will come along with more experience is you learn that brakes are not the only way to bleed off speed, and sometimes you want to use that extra momentum to do things like help rotate the car.

Heh, like scrubbing. Roger's "asked" me stop that; he doesn't like me eating the insides off the star specs. After Chump and this weekend, I think I've broken myself of that bad habit. *knock on wood*

The line between rotate and spin is very thin, esp. when your instinct is to lift. 'tho, I've gotten better about that. No spins this weekend. (which I think is a first.) One off (and yes, I have wifilapper data for that session), but no spin.

Jason Tower · **Joined:** Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:31 pm **Posts:** 1173

Zach Hill wrote:

Carlton Whitehead wrote:

Here are my last couple of laps from my last session on Sunday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKO9PutrQcQ

Obligatory post of my video from this weekend, which was is my new personal best on Full Course, a 2:23.88: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxs7teGqJCI

solid

Cash Davidson · **Posted:** Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:26 pm

Awesome evert! Thanks sooo much to those that work sooo hard not only to make it happen, but to make it run so smoothly.

I credit my first spin at VIR to Les. He had been pointing me by all weekend, then in the last session on Sunday, he shows up on my rear bumper.

I've been told in class and by in-car instructors: "At the top of the esses, get your braking done between 9 & 10, as you turn into 10 get on the gas and STAY on the gas to the exit. If you lift in 10 you will spin and be headed for the left side wall."

Oh - you mean like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nLEKvN_cRs

michaelsmiller · **Posted:** Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:58 pm

Jason Tower wrote:

michaelsmiller wrote:

Thanks to all who worked so hard to make this weekend’s HPDE so much fun. Les, I will be changing to more rumble next year and it’s yellow too. Going from green to yellow was a big change for me. The MazdaSpeed spent a lot of time pegged. My new MPG rating is 8. I discovered that you can never have enough brakes. Braking was my biggest problem. Maybe it just shook me up more because the overall speed of yellow is so much higher than green . My instructor was pushing me to brake later and later. Her most repeated quote was “ Mike, you’re coasting again. “ There were a bunch of little things that I learned that I had to concentrate on constantly. Great weekend.

hard braking at high speed is your friend not your enemy, it converts kinetic energy to heat when there's more airflow to dissipate it. most novice drivers don't brake hard enough initially and have to add braking force towards the end of the braking zone which is the opposite of what you should be doing.

I can tell you that hard braking late and hard in the MazdaSpeed 3 with HP+ pads does not give me a comfortable feelilng. I think that it's time to graduate to a more aggressive brake pad. Should I put better pads all around or would doing just the fronts be sufficient? On hard braking on a front wheel drive car, the rears are doing very little. Advice is appreciated.

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:17 pm

michaelsmiller wrote:

I can tell you that hard braking late and hard in the MazdaSpeed 3 with HP+ pads does not give me a comfortable feelilng. I think that it's time to graduate to a more aggressive brake pad. Should I put better pads all around or would doing just the fronts be sufficient? On hard braking on a front wheel drive car, the rears are doing very little. Advice is appreciated.

front is just fine. I was running hawk dtc-60 up front and hps in the rear. I think they were wearing out at the same rate. There just isn't much weight on the rear under braking.

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:18 pm

Cash Davidson wrote:

Awesome evert! Thanks sooo much to those that work sooo hard not only to make it happen, but to make it run so smoothly.

I credit my first spin at VIR to Les. He had been pointing me by all weekend, then in the last session on Sunday, he shows up on my rear bumper.

I've been told in class and by in-car instructors: "At the top of the esses, get your braking done between 9 & 10, as you turn into 10 get on the gas and STAY on the gas to the exit. If you lift in 10 you will spin and be headed for the left side wall."

Oh - you mean like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nLEKvN_cRs

WOW, you got lucky where lots and lots of folks have not.

JamesMilko · **Posted:** Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:37 pm

Proper track pads are night and day when compared to HP+s. I also finally burned through my first set of HT-10s. ~12 weekends on them. Oh how I love being 2400lbs wet w/driver.

Cash Davidson · **Posted:** Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:38 pm

Trust me, I know how lucky I was. I had told my instructor on the prior lap I thought I could carry a bit more speed cuz I was leaving lots of room at track out. I intended to make a small change, but when I compared the telemetry I had carried almost 10mph more and only tapped the brake after 9. When I turned in and got back on the gas I realized I was not gonna hit the apex and would run out of road at track out. So my natural reaction was to lift,but I should've just stayed on the gas and taken it to the right. Lesson learned.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:44 pm

Cash Davidson wrote:

I credit my first spin at VIR to Les. He had been pointing me by all weekend, then in the last session on Sunday, he shows up on my rear bumper.

NOBODY drives better looking behind them. Driving the mirror almost always causes mistakes.

Cash Davidson wrote:

I've been told in class and by in-car instructors: "At the top of the esses, get your braking done between 9 & 10, as you turn into 10 get on the gas and STAY on the gas to the exit. If you lift in 10 you will spin and be headed for the left side wall."

Most people that spin in T10 have the same cause and effect. You were extremely lucky, and I will bet you won't make the same mistake again. I spun once in T10 myself (turning while still under braking) the same way and was also lucky with no contact. I sure I will make another mistake, but it won't be THAT mistake in THAT turn!

I had a yellow student so I wasn't out there with you, but Les said you were pretty much owning the green group out there. Good job man. I hope you can make it down to CMP with us next month.

JohnByers · **Posted:** Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:02 pm

My brother was talking about how he was passing people left and right in green group lol.

Cash Davidson · **Posted:** Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:12 am

Some of us definitely got some practice working traffic. Here's just one lap on Saturday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79QVMjYArXA

I think a bunch went home after Saturday - the crowd seemed a lot thinner on Sunday.

TomFreeman · **Posted:** Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:18 am

Jason Tower wrote:

Zach Hill wrote:

Carlton Whitehead wrote:

Here are my last couple of laps from my last session on Sunday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKO9PutrQcQ

Obligatory post of my video from this weekend, which was is my new personal best on Full Course, a 2:23.88: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxs7teGqJCI

solid

X2. Well done.

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

Cash Davidson wrote:

I credit my first spin at VIR to Les. He had been pointing me by all weekend, then in the last session on Sunday, he shows up on my rear bumper.

Sorry bout that Cash, didn't me to scare you. I promise I was several car lengths back when you spun. I didn't really take my skirt off this weekend until the last couple sessions when I decided I was tired of this point by shit. What lap times did you tell me you were running?

steve remchak · **Posted:** Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:23 am

Les Davis wrote:

Cash Davidson wrote:

I credit my first spin at VIR to Les. He had been pointing me by all weekend, then in the last session on Sunday, he shows up on my rear bumper.

Sorry bout that Cash, didn't me to scare you. I promise I was several car lengths back when you spun. I didn't really take my skirt off this weekend until the last couple sessions when I decided I was tired of this point by shit. What lap times did you tell me you were running?

when I decided I was tired of this point by shit.

Remember Les, Ego is not your friend on track................. :lol:

When I get some time I'll tell you about it.............. :lol:

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