S2000 at HPDE

Zach Hill · **Posted:** Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:13 pm

Jason Mauldin wrote:

Zach Hill wrote:

And as far as comparing drunk drivers on the street vs. track safety... c'mon, dude. :roll:

I saw a car upside down on the way to work today. I fail to see where his comparison is not valid?

Are you then suggesting that the required track preparedness and safety equipment for participating in HPDE should be the same that the DMV requires for a car to be licensed for use on public roads?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

Jason Mauldin · **Posted:** Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:01 pm

I'm not suggesting that at all, our track guys have already stated that*. I also don't think Kevin is, but he is saying that he has already accepted the increased risk of endangering his head just by driving the subject vehicle.

* at least they have for vehicles with a real top.

YoussefGamal · **Joined:** Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:33 pm **Posts:** 21

haha, piece of cake in the Miata. Although mine isn't a good example.

I would say you should do fine for your first few events without seats and harnesses. Especially if you are only planning to do 1-3 events per year. So that leaves you with the standard or single diagonal. Remember a roll bar is going to take away from the car in a convertible or a regular roofed car anyway. I personally don't trust the roof of a car to keep my head safe if I roll over at any speed higher than 60 or 80 mph.

As for the safety during daily driving, well you are required to run padding on any part that can come into contact with the driver or passenger. Mostly, I would run SFI padding on the roll bar and then get some foam style padding and zip tie that over it for the street. The SFI padding is for helmets, so its pretty hard. With that said, its softer than steel and it has saved people before:
http://revlimiter.net/miata/bonk.html

I didn't have any roll humps in the miata to get in the way and there was some interior panels that I had to modify to fit my roll bar, but it was well worth it in chassis rigidity and safety.

Do it, the fun is well worth it. And if its that concerning, get a beater to daily. probably cheaper to keep up with than the s2k anyway. And you can drive the s2k for any hotties

JamesShort · **Posted:** Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:12 pm

Kevin, don't worry about blowing up another $6k engine. Low mileage used F20/F22s are cheap because of all of the junk yard S2ks with only rear end damage due to snap oversteer by numb nuts

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Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

I have a beater to daily drive & rallyx - but it's been parked in the back yard for the past month, because I've been having too much fun dding the STi. :thumbsup:

It's still pretty strange being in the roadster and being exposed to all that DANGER!!! around me, after driving cars with factory built-in roll cages for so many years, but what the Hell, you only live once, and you might as well do something different once in a while, even if it's a little more risky.

And yes, I've actually googled S2000 crash photos. Rolling over is the least of our problems. :shock:

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

JamesShort wrote:

Kevin, don't worry about blowing up another $6k engine. Low mileage used F20/F22s are cheap because of all of the junk yard S2ks with only rear end damage due to snap oversteer by numb nuts

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I was referring to the STi.

steve remchak · **Posted:** Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:54 pm

Kevin Allen wrote:

I have a beater to daily drive & rallyx - but it's been parked in the back yard for the past month, because I've been having too much fun dding the STi. :thumbsup:

It's still pretty strange being in the roadster and being exposed to all that DANGER!!! around me, after driving cars with factory built-in roll cages for so many years, but what the Hell, you only live once, and you might as well do something different once in a while, even if it's a little more risky.

And yes, I've actually googled S2000 crash photos. Rolling over is the least of our problems. :shock:

maybe so but it is still a rule fair or otherwise. the Z3 / Z4 guys are bitching just the same as you because they can't run at BMWCCA track days.

i think you are missing the point of my posts Kevin. the danger, real or presumed, is irrelevant. the fact is that due to insurance restrictions HPDE organizers are required to mandate roll over protection for convertible cars.

and as far as you being "a crazy person" behind the steering wheel of a car.......... i would say you are no more crazy than Randy. but he is a bit more socialable than you can be sometimes. but that is a topic for another conversation i am sure.

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

steve remchak wrote:

Kevin Allen wrote:

I have a beater to daily drive & rallyx - but it's been parked in the back yard for the past month, because I've been having too much fun dding the STi. :thumbsup:

It's still pretty strange being in the roadster and being exposed to all that DANGER!!! around me, after driving cars with factory built-in roll cages for so many years, but what the Hell, you only live once, and you might as well do something different once in a while, even if it's a little more risky.

And yes, I've actually googled S2000 crash photos. Rolling over is the least of our problems. :shock:

maybe so but it is still a rule fair or otherwise. the Z3 / Z4 guys are bitching just the same as you because they can't run at BMWCCA track days.

i think you are missing the point of my posts Kevin. the danger, real or presumed, is irrelevant. the fact is that due to insurance restrictions HPDE organizers are required to mandate roll over protection for convertible cars.

and as far as you being "a crazy person" behind the steering wheel of a car.......... i would say you are no more crazy than Randy. but he is a bit more socialable than you can be sometimes. but that is a topic for another conversation i am sure.

I'm probably missing the point of your posts because I usually just skip over them and move on to something that makes sense.

steve remchak · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:52 am

Et tu, Brute?

Stacy King · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:49 am

How about getting a 2nd S2000 modified for the track?

Here's one for sale in Cali... just needs a new short block it sounds like:
http://www.trackpedia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6263

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

Maybe I can get one of those $5k S2000's that I keep hearing about locally (rebuilt/blown engine/whatever). Then I definitely wouldn't mind cutting it up to put a roll bar in it.

jeremy gast · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:07 pm

could make it for track and a nice rwd rally car

Kevin Allen wrote:

Maybe I can get one of those $5k S2000's that I keep hearing about locally (rebuilt/blown engine/whatever). Then I definitely wouldn't mind cutting it up to put a roll bar in it.

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:05 pm

Stacy King wrote:

How about getting a 2nd S2000 modified for the track?

Here's one for sale in Cali... just needs a new short block it sounds like:
http://www.trackpedia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6263

I've had those thoughts already, I need to plant more money trees.

Matt McGrain · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:08 pm

JamesShort wrote:

Kevin, don't worry about blowing up another $6k engine. Low mileage used F20/F22s are cheap because of all of the junk yard S2ks with only rear end damage due to snap oversteer by numb nuts

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Point in case! Wow, although keep in mind, it's still Craigslist so you never know. That Suzuka for $8k plus this would be fun.

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/pts/2782138399.html

JamesShort · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:47 pm

That's just Steve Carter's engine that got stripped by some goons

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