S2000 at HPDE

JamesShort · **Posted:** Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:58 pm

Higher power to weight ratio means higher velocities at braking initiation for a given track and hence your square relationship point proved.

Andrew Jonell · **Joined:** Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:43 pm **Posts:** 1350

I would think that a more temperature appropriate pad would suffice. Ducting doesn't hurt, though (see: Nissan 370Z).

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:52 pm

JamesShort wrote:

Higher power to weight ratio means higher velocities at braking initiation for a given track and hence your square relationship point proved.

BTW, for anyone who thinks I'm like Dr. Sheldon Cooper, you obviously have never met James. He pegs the geeks meter constantly.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:01 pm

Vincent Keene wrote:

JamesShort wrote:

Higher power to weight ratio means higher velocities at braking initiation for a given track and hence your square relationship point proved.

BTW, for anyone who thinks I'm like Dr. Sheldon Cooper, you obviously have never met James. He pegs the geeks meter constantly.

I guess the context of my post doesn't help either: shit faced after way too much wine at the Washington Duke, laying on the bed playing on my smart phone pissed because my wife is taking too long to do her makeup and hair at ~11pm on NYE

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steve remchak · **Posted:** Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:12 am

Vincent Keene wrote:

JamesShort wrote:

Higher power to weight ratio means higher velocities at braking initiation for a given track and hence your square relationship point proved.

BTW, for anyone who thinks I'm like Dr. Sheldon Cooper, you obviously have never met James. He pegs the geeks meter constantly.

i believe you are better known for the "little quirks" quite honestly VK. "ese" being one, need i say more?

but yes James, you are such a freak'in Nerd............. :lol:

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

So from this page, which configuration(s) would be THSCC HPDE-legal? Would the ones that are compatible with stock roll hoops work? I'm guessing it wouldn't be STR-legal if I removed those.

http://www.scienceofspeed.com/products/ ... /roll_bar/

JamesMilko · **Posted:** Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:59 pm

FWIW removing the roll hoops bumps you out of Stock class for AX. I don't see an allowance in ST* either. SP* does have one though. (It would be a weenie as hell protest for removing the roll hoops to bolt 40lbs of metal even higher)

Any of the ones with a diagonal or two are legal. The double diagonal is so your rear view mirror is usable. Not sure about s2k applications but in the Miata the bar almost completely blocks the view out of the rear view.

steve remchak · **Posted:** Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:09 pm

it ain't my head Kevin, but if i was to buy a bar for a convertible "track car" i would go with the one that has the diagonal and the harness bar welded in.

forgive me, but if one is willing to risk their life on track with autoX rules holding them back from a safety perspective then IMO that person has no business taking their car on track.

cones suck, but no where near as much as PAX.......... et al.........

Matt McGrain · **Posted:** Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:17 pm

It looks like the harness bar would wipe out the interior and the 'glovebox' unless you have a sharp holesaw. :wink:

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

steve remchak wrote:

it ain't my head Kevin, but if i was to buy a bar for a convertible "track car" i would go with the one that has the diagonal and the harness bar welded in.

forgive me, but if one is willing to risk their life on track with autoX rules holding them back from a safety perspective then IMO that person has no business taking their car on track.

cones suck, but no where near as much as PAX.......... et al.........

Well, I don't even wear a helmet when I drive it on the street, and there are way more drunks in redneck trucks driving around Johnston County than around VIR, so, what's your point?

steve remchak · **Posted:** Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:39 pm

Kevin Allen wrote:

steve remchak wrote:

it ain't my head Kevin, but if i was to buy a bar for a convertible "track car" i would go with the one that has the diagonal and the harness bar welded in.

forgive me, but if one is willing to risk their life on track with autoX rules holding them back from a safety perspective then IMO that person has no business taking their car on track.

cones suck, but no where near as much as PAX.......... et al.........

Well, I don't even wear a helmet when I drive it on the street, and there are way more drunks in redneck trucks driving around Johnston County than around VIR, so, what's your point?

upside down is the point where i might become concerned.

truthfully, i think your S2000 is not a track-able car at least as far as THSCC is concerned.

and yes, Johnston County has a real problem with teen fatalities and it is certainly systemic.

Zach Hill · **Posted:** Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:22 am

Kevin, I went through all this years ago trying to get my S2000 on track (I had never done a track day at that time), and ended up with the same conclusion: modify the car so much so that it would be ugly and inconvenient on the street and possibly not STR-legal, or find some other club with lax safety standards at a track with lax safety standards (I was told that VIR has a "no convertibles without roll bars" rule) and run there.

Now having done a few track days (in the E30), I can say that I am very glad I did not take my S2000 to the track with stock rollover protection. Like Steve said, only Kevin knows how much Kevin's Head is worth to Kevin, but Zach's Head is worth too much to risk it.

And as far as comparing drunk drivers on the street vs. track safety... c'mon, dude. :roll:

You have an STi and I have an E30 ready for the track, so we really shouldn't complain that we can't track our S2K's. :mrgreen:

Jason Mauldin · **Posted:** Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:27 am

Zach Hill wrote:

And as far as comparing drunk drivers on the street vs. track safety... c'mon, dude. :roll:

I saw a car upside down on the way to work today. I fail to see where his comparison is not valid?

clinehall · **Posted:** Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:36 pm

Not trying to add fuel to the fire, but I have always heard that s2000 are bad for snap spinning on track. Any truth to that?

I've also worried about this kind of thing as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG7k9tWrHG4

I was on track when a saab sonnet's motor exploded and sent shrapenal everywhere. Gave me some food for thought but hey, I'm an insurance agent so I always think worst case scenerio.

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

The more I research it, the more I don't want to deal with the modifications that are going to be necessary. I'll just take it to the mountains a few times a year, I guess. Nothing bad could possibly happen there... :lol:

Some people may think that I'm a crazy person based on what they see me do at autoxes sometimes, but I try my best to always be very safe - yes, even when I'm countersteering around a 25mph corner with all 4 tires spinning (which I would NEVER do at VIR, btw - but I would do it in the WV mtns :lol:

). I value my life, and I value my cars' lives. But you can't protect yourself from everything. So at some point, you just have to say, "fuck it" and accept the risks involved in living your life.

The thing I really worry about is blowing up another $6000 engine. That shit can really ruin a good time, and is far more likely to happen than somebody getting hurt. :thumbsdown:

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