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 Post subject: Re: Lemons/ChumpCar choices
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:50 am 
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Vincent Keene wrote:
I'm still amazed that Mike's held and even ran well after they changed it. Generally speaking once the car has been overheated, simply changing the gasket hardy ever works.


Trust me, we were plenty amazed by this as well, given our history.

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 Post subject: Re: Lemons/ChumpCar choices
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:00 am 
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Looking into the motor a little more, it appears to be the original head gasket. I'm thinking that is one part we will go ahead and take a cost hit on.


Why? Do you consider a headgasket a wear item? Unless the car has been overheated why mess with the headgasket?

I'm still amazed that Mike's held and even ran well after they changed it. Generally speaking once the car has been overheated, simply changing the gasket hardy ever works.


I 2nd that. Unless you have suspicion that it's compromised, I'd leave it be.

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 Post subject: Re: Lemons/ChumpCar choices
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:10 pm 
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Vincent Keene wrote:
Scott Lusted wrote:
Looking into the motor a little more, it appears to be the original head gasket. I'm thinking that is one part we will go ahead and take a cost hit on.


Why? Do you consider a headgasket a wear item? Unless the car has been overheated why mess with the headgasket?

I'm still amazed that Mike's held and even ran well after they changed it. Generally speaking once the car has been overheated, simply changing the gasket hardy ever works.


I 2nd that. Unless you have suspicion that it's compromised, I'd leave it be.


+1 My truck still doesn't run right after the change

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 Post subject: Re: Lemons/ChumpCar choices
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:19 pm 
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Our search is ongoing. The one I thought we had found was misrepresented and was a Legend... :soap:

Gotta be a better place to look other than craigslist...

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 Post subject: Re: Lemons/ChumpCar choices
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:02 pm 
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Gotta be a better place to look other than craigslist...


Been there, done that. Funny story of our first 'find' via CL.

Our first candidate was a ’91 CRX Si. It was reported not to look too good, but was mechanically sound. The price was advertised at $900 IIRC and according to Ryan lots of the interior could be sold to get us to the $500 limit. Anxious for a real contender, Stephen and I decided to make the drive and take a look at it.

First off this guy lived PAST the edge of BFE. As a matter of fact you go through BFE, turn left onto a 2 mile dirt road with pot holes bigger than a car (I'm not kidding), then keep going into the woods before you get there. Stephen and I both wondered where the h*ll we were going even though this dirt road was actually on the GPS.

So we pull up to this house at about 11:00 PM and a young kid comes out to meet us who looks like something from a Beavis and Butthead skit. He starts to tell us about the car and how the motor swap was done by a professional who was a friend of his. Mind you the exterior of this car is a COMPLETE piece of sh*t and the entire engine is covered in oil…although he said it didn’t leak any. While Stephen chatted it up with this clown I look underneath to look for rust or any other issues I could see with a flashlight in a pitch black yard. What I saw was undercoating about 1” thick on EVERY surface, wire, brake line, etc. Also the car had no exhaust, so to say it was loud was an understatement. Surprisingly though the interior (of the parts still there) was in “OK” shape for what we would use as a race car. We decided to take it for a drive anyway. Besides we drove all that way so why not right?

We finally convince this kid that we won’t make off with his POS, and head out on the dirt road with a surface akin to that of the moon. Once we finally made it to paved road, Stephen opened it up to see what kind of ‘mad-tite powah’ it had. Mind you this is 11:30 at night, in a residential subdivision, in a car with the exhaust coming straight from the downpipe. The car seemed to pull strong in 3rd gear, but the right front wheel bearing was so bad we were scared to drive it any longer. We decided on the way back if he’d give it to us for cheap like $200-$300 instead of the $900 asking price we might consider it.

Once we get back we asked about spares like wheels and the missing rear bumper. He showed us four wheels that he said he would let us have for cheap but that they didn’t “look” too good. He said they were scratched, but were straight because he “straightened them with a hammer”. :shock: Holy WTF Batman!? It was all Stephen and I could do to keep from laughing in his face.

We discussed a lower price, but he was firm on the $900 saying he had several offers, but had turned them down. I guess there were other buyers who straighten their wheels with hammers as well. No matter I guess, we said thanks, but no thanks, and left BFE hopefully never to return again.

Weeks later we found our Prelude via CL, and after 8 races it still runs like a top.

Keep looking.

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 Post subject: Re: Lemons/ChumpCar choices
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:14 pm 
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Vincent Keene wrote:
Why? Do you consider a headgasket a wear item? Unless the car has been overheated why mess with the headgasket?

I'm still amazed that Mike's held and even ran well after they changed it. Generally speaking once the car has been overheated, simply changing the gasket hardy ever works.


Good point. I guess after 20 years and all the heat cycles I figured it would a weak point. My old Miata finally needed one after the 2nd year of tracking it. Just started leaking coolant and oil at the back. Never overheated it that I recall, although the temp gauges on those things were basically idiot lights. If it moved, it was already too hot.

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 Post subject: Re: Lemons/ChumpCar choices
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:17 pm 
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That is really funny!

Remember my post about a month ago with a CL vent... I think the whole process is all part of the experience. Because when you finally find it and get it sorted out, it is an awesome feeling.
Hell, we have only just started our Chumpcar build and it has been an exciting ride with plenty of stories to tell...

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 Post subject: Re: Lemons/ChumpCar choices
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:42 pm 
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Scott Lusted wrote:
Never overheated it that I recall, although the temp gauges on those things were basically idiot lights. If it moved, it was already too hot.


That's the case with most modern cars. I just added aftermaket gauges to my Mustang because even a 15-20 degree rise in temp doesn't really affect the postion of the stock needle.

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 Post subject: Re: Lemons/ChumpCar choices
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:00 pm 
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Vincent Keene wrote:

Weeks later we found our Prelude via CL, and after 8 races it still runs like a top.

Keep looking.



Absolutely, looks like I know what the daily routine for Jeremy and I is going to be for awhile :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Lemons/ChumpCar choices
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:39 am 
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Actually that wasn't the first candidate, the first one was a Cavalier that the gal owned and wanted to sell until she couldn't produce the title because she had taken out a pay day loan against.

If we would have known John back then, he probably lives close to the location of the BFE CRX and could have saved us some time :lol:

Vincent Keene wrote:
JohnByers wrote:
Gotta be a better place to look other than craigslist...


Been there, done that. Funny story of our first 'find' via CL.

Our first candidate was a ’91 CRX Si. It was reported not to look too good, but was mechanically sound. The price was advertised at $900 IIRC and according to Ryan lots of the interior could be sold to get us to the $500 limit. Anxious for a real contender, Stephen and I decided to make the drive and take a look at it.

First off this guy lived PAST the edge of BFE. As a matter of fact you go through BFE, turn left onto a 2 mile dirt road with pot holes bigger than a car (I'm not kidding), then keep going into the woods before you get there. Stephen and I both wondered where the h*ll we were going even though this dirt road was actually on the GPS.

So we pull up to this house at about 11:00 PM and a young kid comes out to meet us who looks like something from a Beavis and Butthead skit. He starts to tell us about the car and how the motor swap was done by a professional who was a friend of his. Mind you the exterior of this car is a COMPLETE piece of sh*t and the entire engine is covered in oil…although he said it didn’t leak any. While Stephen chatted it up with this clown I look underneath to look for rust or any other issues I could see with a flashlight in a pitch black yard. What I saw was undercoating about 1” thick on EVERY surface, wire, brake line, etc. Also the car had no exhaust, so to say it was loud was an understatement. Surprisingly though the interior (of the parts still there) was in “OK” shape for what we would use as a race car. We decided to take it for a drive anyway. Besides we drove all that way so why not right?

We finally convince this kid that we won’t make off with his POS, and head out on the dirt road with a surface akin to that of the moon. Once we finally made it to paved road, Stephen opened it up to see what kind of ‘mad-tite powah’ it had. Mind you this is 11:30 at night, in a residential subdivision, in a car with the exhaust coming straight from the downpipe. The car seemed to pull strong in 3rd gear, but the right front wheel bearing was so bad we were scared to drive it any longer. We decided on the way back if he’d give it to us for cheap like $200-$300 instead of the $900 asking price we might consider it.

Once we get back we asked about spares like wheels and the missing rear bumper. He showed us four wheels that he said he would let us have for cheap but that they didn’t “look” too good. He said they were scratched, but were straight because he “straightened them with a hammer”. :shock: Holy WTF Batman!? It was all Stephen and I could do to keep from laughing in his face.

We discussed a lower price, but he was firm on the $900 saying he had several offers, but had turned them down. I guess there were other buyers who straighten their wheels with hammers as well. No matter I guess, we said thanks, but no thanks, and left BFE hopefully never to return again.

Weeks later we found our Prelude via CL, and after 8 races it still runs like a top.

Keep looking.

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 Post subject: Re: Lemons/ChumpCar choices
PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:13 am 
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JohnByers wrote:
Our search is ongoing. The one I thought we had found was misrepresented and was a Legend... :soap:

Gotta be a better place to look other than craigslist...



Here is one if you want an integra...
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/2534417326.html

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 Post subject: Re: Lemons/ChumpCar choices
PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:20 am 
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And another but does need some top end motor work. Might just be bent valves...

http://winstonsalem.craigslist.org/cto/2544941023.html

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:34 pm 
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Car was bought. Jeremy, my brother and I are very comfortable in rwd platforms. I knew if we kept looking we would find the right deal. We won't be setting land speed records, but the "fun" factor and seat time will be accomplished. Plus I know the car in and out and have lots of spares.

$200 1987 BMW 325. Already sold the working ice cold a/c and working cruise control for $200 :wink:

Now the tear down begins!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:37 pm 
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well played! If you need some help, and the car is kept in the Triangle, let me know!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:38 pm 
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$200 1987 BMW 325. Already sold the working ice cold a/c and working cruise control for $200 :wink:

Now the tear down begins!


My condolences sir. Don't worry, we'll be nice and wave as we pass you. :P

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