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 Post subject: Inexpensive radio system for driver comms
PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:30 am 
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I need something for the LeMons car to let the crew talk to the driver. Last year I used my kid's Motorola 2-way radio with a hands-free in-ear speaker with a mic in the cord that I got from HH Gregg. It kind of worked sometimes (much like the LeMons car itself), but the ear piece fell out a lot and it was hard to make out anything more complicated that "PIT" or "SMOKE". This year I was going to make an adapter so I could use a secure over-the-ear cell phone hands-free setup with it, but I was also wondering if there was a reasonably priced (cheap) system that I could pick up for this. Google searching led me to some $800 setups, and searching eBay for "track radio" just brought up an astonishing selection of car stereos with 8-track players.

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Both Vincent's team and my team use these headsets with Midland GMRS radios.

A lot of the teams use them. You can definitely find them for a little cheaper than Amazon if you shop. I think the last ones I bought were $27.

The Midland radios have stronger transceivers, and you can hear them from pretty much anywhere on track at CMP. I don't remember the model number of our radios, but they are similar to these: http://www.amazon.com/Midland-GXT740VP3 ... =1-1-spell

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Get all your drivers and any pit crew who need to talk to drivers to get their Amateur Radio license. Then you can get a shitpile of radios for cheap that will kick ass for this. :)


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Donnie Barnes wrote:
Get all your drivers and any pit crew who need to talk to drivers to get their Amateur Radio license. Then you can get a shitpile of radios for cheap that will kick ass for this. :)


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I can't get all of my drivers and crew to get their driver's licenses. I'm guessing that that getting them to get another license might be too much to ask.

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At VIR a few of us are going to test a set of higher end (20 mile) Motorolas and Cobras with a couple of different mic setups.

2 people will be using the Throat mics, 2 will be using inserted ear buds and a in helmet mic, and then another will have the full headset in the pits.

I will try to report back on how each one does.

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Like Tom said, our GMRS setup worked really well. The only problem we had (it surfaced at our VIR test day) was the in-car volume was too low at speed. I bought a small MP3 player type amp called the "Boost-a-Roo", which increased the volume level in helmet and and solved that problem.

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Vincent Keene wrote:
The only problem we had was the in-car volume was too low at speed. I bought a small MP3 player type amp called the "Boost-a-Roo", which increased the volume level in helmet and and solved that problem.

Hot dang! Thanks, I been wanting to get an amplifier setup but hadn't had a chance to follow up. My hearing has degraded to the point it's real difficult to hear the student although they can usually hear me (at least the younger ones ';)

I see one possible problem. Perhaps you can answer this. Is it possible to input a headset with both a mike and a speaker phone since the headsets for most comms combine both in a single cable and plug (three conductors). Reason I ask is the Boost-a-Roo seems to be specifically for amping a speaker input from stereo (aux) or radio which implies the jack only has speaker conductors and wouldn't account for both headset speaker and mike.

The Boost-a-Roo with its single cable and jack would need to 'pass' the mike signal through the Boost-a-Roo to the comm. Of course one can mod the unit by splicing jacks into the 'headset speaker' conductor for the in and out of the amp. A 'by-pass' for the mike condutor Have I got that right.

One issue with trying to splice comm headset conductors (at least the Nady) is the type wire. They are REAL small and difficult to solder. We did manage to repair a headset wire that had pulled lose from headset, but not easy or 'neat'.

Anybody got any other options than splicing.

Hey I just had a thought. Use a stereo adapter (out) connector and plug in headset. Using decent wire split the output of the adapter. Plug in the new audio only lead from headsets with a plug on the other end into the amp. Then rejoin the comm circuits with a 'reverse' routing to a single plug into the comm.

Hope I got the above explanation right. The basic idea here may be accomplished by a different wiring diagram or parts that's more elegant. Anybody got suggestions.

I just had another idea. Could you plug the extant headset plug which is AFAIK a std stereo plug into the amp which would have two channels out for stereo audio. Essentially the audio from headset would be correct for one of the amp out stereo circuits, but the mike signal would be on the other stereo circuit's output as input. Can you 'run the amp backwards' so to speak, amping both signals. Sure would simply things. In fact if my thinking ain't too wo out by now it looks like this would require only a stereo cable from amp to comm unit. No splitting of wires, no soldering, no 'roll yer own' adapters, and less cussing. Got a feeling this is a non-starter WAG, but I ain't the sharpest knife in the 'more complicated electronics' drawer soes I wouldn't know other than just trying it, hoping nothing would get fried in the process.

As an aside, anyone know of other volume amps. Perhaps one that would make the above easier. Cheaper wouldn't hurt either.

Just took a quick look at stuff out there. Looks like lots of cell phone amps. It occurred that if they had a model that worked with a cell ph whose 'hands free' jack had both mike and ear bud circuits using the same jack might work. There are lots of signal boosters which aren't what we need, but there also seems to be some 'hands free' units also. Looks like most are 'fixed' inline, which is not very helpful.

To be continued.

Steve 'needing a solution' Coleman

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Donnie are you a ham? I'm N4XD.

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Ron Spencer wrote:
Donnie are you a ham? I'm N4XD.


Yeah, recently pulled the trigger finally. Been wanting to do it since I was, oh, 12 years old or so, but never did it until now. I'm KJ4RIC right now, but have applied for a vanity callsign so that might change soon.


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Donnie excellent. If you plan on putting up a tower and such let me know. There are a few of us here (including me) that have no fear of heights so putting up a tower is no problem. Have all the correct tools: gin pole, rope, pulleys, etc.

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Might as well further derail this thread. :)

http://gallery.donniebarnes.com/main.php/v/misc/ham/

Sorry for the screwed up first pic, but what the heck. I acquired property near mine with two 50' towers. And antennas. Lots of antennas. The house they were adjacent to needs to be torn down, but I'm gonna pull up the feed lines first. I have power nearby and a small building I can put near the towers. So my plan is to figure out how to best do remote radio work since my own house is nearly a mile away. I can get 'net connectivity to there via wifi from another tall building (and I'm hopefully very near getting my 2.5Mbs T1 based data connection upgraded to 10Mbs Metro-E).

So I'm thinking about a Yaesu WiRES gateway, my own local repeater, and an APRS digipeater.


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Donnie Barnes wrote:
Might as well further derail this thread. :)

http://gallery.donniebarnes.com/main.php/v/misc/ham/

Sorry for the screwed up first pic, but what the heck. I acquired property near mine with two 50' towers. And antennas. Lots of antennas. The house they were adjacent to needs to be torn down, but I'm gonna pull up the feed lines first. I have power nearby and a small building I can put near the towers. So my plan is to figure out how to best do remote radio work since my own house is nearly a mile away. I can get 'net connectivity to there via wifi from another tall building (and I'm hopefully very near getting my 2.5Mbs T1 based data connection upgraded to 10Mbs Metro-E).

So I'm thinking about a Yaesu WiRES gateway, my own local repeater, and an APRS digipeater.


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Donnie Barnes wrote:
I'm KJ4RIC right now, but have applied for a vanity callsign so that might change soon.


B4LLR? 8) :lol:

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Donnie Barnes wrote:
I'm KJ4RIC right now, but have applied for a vanity callsign so that might change soon.


B4LLR? 8) :lol:


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