What's the Best Autocross Rain Tire?

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:58 pm

Chuck Frank wrote:

You cannot have more than 4 drivers total in two classes (2 drivers in each class) in the same car at a national event, no 3 driver cars nor 3 classes entered.

That's not exactly true. Do not EXPECT to be able to do it, but if the schedule allows for it you CAN do the above. It's VERY hard to do at smaller national events thanks to impound issues (ie. you can't expect to get out of impound early to go grid for another class unless it's THE ladies version of the class you're already in impound for, but even that HAS happened), but at bigger events you can get lucky with the schedule and run a car in multiple classes. We've seen ST cars run both ST and STX, for example. I think it's happened with SM and XP, too.

It's *usually* only done to allow for a competitor to keep running when their own car breaks, but it's been allowed outside of that, too. I don't suggest trying it, but it does happen from time to time. Especially at Nationals, though usually between classes that run on separate days.

--Donnie

Chuck Frank · **Posted:** Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:25 pm

Donnie Barnes wrote:

Chuck Frank wrote:

You cannot have more than 4 drivers total in two classes (2 drivers in each class) in the same car at a national event, no 3 driver cars nor 3 classes entered.

That's not exactly true. Do not EXPECT to be able to do it, but if the schedule allows for it you CAN do the above. It's VERY hard to do at smaller national events thanks to impound issues (ie. you can't expect to get out of impound early to go grid for another class unless it's THE ladies version of the class you're already in impound for, but even that HAS happened), but at bigger events you can get lucky with the schedule and run a car in multiple classes. We've seen ST cars run both ST and STX, for example. I think it's happened with SM and XP, too.

It's *usually* only done to allow for a competitor to keep running when their own car breaks, but it's been allowed outside of that, too. I don't suggest trying it, but it does happen from time to time. Especially at Nationals, though usually between classes that run on separate days.

--Donnie

I believe it has been allowed by special dispensation to give a driver of a broken car a chance to finish the event, but I thought there was a rule in the book that excludes more than 4 drivers in one vehicle (2 co-drivers in 2 classes) and one vehicle entered in more than 2 classes. You should know better than me, so I'll take your word for it being allowed, can't say I've seen it done tho.

DickRasmussen · **Posted:** Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:30 pm

For "regular Solo" (I didn't check the Pro rules).

4.4 B. A given car may be entered by no more than two drivers in the same class.

I don't know how this applies to karts and single seaters where drivers don't actually "enter" the car . . .

Del Long's Locost 7 runs both DM and EM afaik. It won DM and the faster driver came in 5th in EM with about 300 lbs of additional ballast.

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:25 pm

DickRasmussen wrote:

For "regular Solo" (I didn't check the Pro rules).

4.4 B. A given car may be entered by no more than two drivers in the same class.

I don't know how this applies to karts and single seaters where drivers don't actually "enter" the car . . .

Del Long's Locost 7 runs both DM and EM afaik. It won DM and the faster driver came in 5th in EM with about 300 lbs of additional ballast.

Sorry, I wasn't more clear. Yes, 4.4.B excludes more than two drivers in a the same car in a class! Chuck was right on that part. I was ONLY intending to dispute the "3 classes entered" part. That's my bad for not being clearer. I intended to trim more. (And yeah, even 4.4.B has been "broken" to specifically allow someone to compete who broke a car.)

Nobody cares how many classes you run a single car in, but the only thing event organizers are going to plan around is open and ladies classes not conflicting. If you're stuck in impound, even if impound *should* have been over much earlier, and the car is supposed to be gridded for the "other" class that you entered it in (again, not talking ladies here), that's YOUR fault and you're going to be late to grid (or possibly miss runs) or suffer the penalty for leaving impound early (your choice).

We've talked about rules banning this, but it's not been done. It's sort of discouraged, but if you can pull it off, more power to you. It's actually especially easy to pull off at Nationals (impound issues notwithstanding) since the schedules are published ahead of time and the event is split in half.

Sorry for the confusion on that.

--Donnie