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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:34 am 
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any of us miata ownsers feel a little cheated by this?

http://cms.scca.com/documents/Fastrack/ ... ly-seb.pdf

Read page two.


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They are running similar times, and the SCCA leadership wants to make a change. Some say that a car built by a GM division that no longer exists obsoleted the 99 Sport Package, and the MSR never really took off. So CS will likely be spec-RX-8 in the future if this goes through.

I think that I know somebody that was there, maybe he'll chime in with the reason for the move. ;) Alternately, you can go to sccaforums.com and sort with the pooflinging there to see other people's reactions.

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Wes Eargle wrote:
Some say that a car built by a GM division that no longer exists obsoleted the 99 Sport Package, and the MSR never really took off. So CS will likely be spec-RX-8 in the future if this goes through.


you lost me here... what are you saying about the no longer GM divission? and obsolete 99 sport package?


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The new Pontiac Solstice recently changed the pecking order of CS which had been dominated for years by the 1999 Miata with the sport package, basically obsoleting it as it was no longer "the car to have" for the class. The NCs haven't really "brought it".

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As an owner of the much maligned MX5/NC, I look at it two ways. BS is almost nonexistent in our club. Not a single BS car has participated in the class all year. BS consists of 350Z (heavy), RX8 (gutless), M3 (E36, E30, Scary but nobody can leave them stock), Mini JCW, MR2 Turbo (Too tricky to drive), Porsche 911,914/6, 928, 944 turbo and 16V, 968, C2, C4 . CS consists of mx5 1999-2010, MR2 Spyder or SC, Pontiac Solstice/Sky and that’s pretty much it. When combined this would make potentially a large class and there still wouldn’t be many cars running in it locally. My biggest worry is the new MX5, with 60 MPH top speed in second vs 54 MPH, Stiffer springs, more damping, and an improved transmission that can probably shift into third without drama. The problem with the NC was that it is a car with good DNA, but marketing blundered. They turned it into a Z4 wanabe cruiser instead of a true sports car. That being said, they left enough knobs to turn so that one can get really decent performance from the car. Very precise steering, the best brakes, ¾ of the horse power that would be ideal, and good balance. The best thing about the NC is the confidence that it gives you. Unlike the S2K, it is stable at and above it’s limit. That gives me the confidence to push harder knowing that if I screw up, the car can recover. I only loose time. I’m not too sure about the M3, but I think that the MX5 NC can run with the 350Z’s and the RX8’s, at least up to 54 MPH. The Mini JCW may be the car. My dilemma is still more competition vs being out gunned. I think that if I can win in this new group, I would feel pretty good. BTW, CS PAX is 0.837, BS PAX is 0.835. I guess that means that CS is faster.

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I believe Buetzer is still winning in a 99 Sport out on the west coast...

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Karl Shultz wrote:
I believe Buetzer is still winning in a 99 Sport out on the west coast...


He's an alien. The '99 is no longer the "car to have." IMHO.


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this is interesting. We were just about to buy new tires for my wife's car. Perhaps she'd want to run BS/CS instead of STX. We'd have to sell her current autocross wheels (16x7.5) and get 17's to be stock class legal though.

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Buetzer won Nats in a new Miata last year. I believe he said it was easier to drive at the limit, plus the low end grunt is much better than the 99s.

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Eric Peterson wrote:
Buetzer won Nats in a new Miata last year. I believe he said it was easier to drive at the limit, plus the low end grunt is much better than the 99s.

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Was that a Miata without the one year only suspension package upgrade? i.e. a version that is available new "now"? Also, 6 spd?

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At the risk of opening a can of worms, yes, that was an MSR package Miata. It's pretty clearly better for autox than a non-MSR.


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