March Laurinburg Event - DONE

Wes Eargle · **Joined:** Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:47 am **Posts:** 3683

Keith Quistorff wrote:

Karl Shultz wrote:

For those of you not in the know, you missed quite a display from our man Art. FTS and FT Raw in my S2000. His first time in the car he beat, well, he beat everybody.

Great job, Art!

So what was Art's winning lap time?

61.1xx on his last run.

Keith Quistorff · **Posted:** Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:14 pm

Quote:

61.1xx on his last run.

FTW!

PhilFausz · **Posted:** Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:14 pm

jimpastorius wrote:

It is not the ABS or the car, it is the driver. First off, you have a Fit and all season tires. The ABS is sensing the lose of grip as the front tires are trying to lock up and slide. You need to realize that there is only so much grip associated with your tires.

Ditto. I've got another set of tires with a 300-400? treadwear for the M3 and I can activate the ABS in dry weather with them in situations where the Bridgestone R010's just stop the car.

Oh yeah, right side, all four times.

Did anyone else spin out coming out of the sweeper onto the main runway? It's the worst spinout I've ever had without going off, took a full second or so to figure out what direction I was sitting in before I could get going.

Michael Westerfield · **Posted:** Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:25 pm

PhilFausz wrote:

jimpastorius wrote:

It is not the ABS or the car, it is the driver. First off, you have a Fit and all season tires. The ABS is sensing the lose of grip as the front tires are trying to lock up and slide. You need to realize that there is only so much grip associated with your tires.

Ditto. I've got another set of tires with a 300-400? treadwear for the M3 and I can activate the ABS in dry weather with them in situations where the Bridgestone R010's just stop the car.

With the perfect ABS system it is going to stop at the limit of the tire that is on the car. However, no system is perfect. On that note Honda doesn't always put 4 channel systems on their cars. It is quite possible that a 2 or 3 channel system could be causing the car to do some strange things under hard braking. Generally though I'm a big fan of ABS.

Eric Peterson · **Joined:** Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:24 am **Posts:** 494

Congrats Art on being FT Everything - that's some great driving!!!

Eric

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:47 pm

Michael Westerfield wrote:

PhilFausz wrote:

jimpastorius wrote:

It is not the ABS or the car, it is the driver. First off, you have a Fit and all season tires. The ABS is sensing the lose of grip as the front tires are trying to lock up and slide. You need to realize that there is only so much grip associated with your tires.

Ditto. I've got another set of tires with a 300-400? treadwear for the M3 and I can activate the ABS in dry weather with them in situations where the Bridgestone R010's just stop the car.

With the perfect ABS system it is going to stop at the limit of the tire that is on the car. However, no system is perfect. On that note Honda doesn't always put 4 channel systems on their cars. It is quite possible that a 2 or 3 channel system could be causing the car to do some strange things under hard braking. Generally though I'm a big fan of ABS.

I used to be a big fan of ABS, as I had the rare 1.6L Miata with ABS. I am learning now that IMHO, it slowed me down. I ALWAYS drove it too hard into an element, mashed the pedal as hard as I could and let the ABS do its job. I think a good part of the time I either

A. Overslowed
B. Screwed it by cutting it too close and getting off my line
C. Combo of A and B

The 240 does not have ABS and I feel like I keep my momentum going and my lines smoother with out it.

Having ABS in the Miata was neat on track, braking at most 2 makers generally will catch a ton of folks :twisted:

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:55 pm

Ryan Holton wrote:

Michael Westerfield wrote:

PhilFausz wrote:

jimpastorius wrote:

It is not the ABS or the car, it is the driver. First off, you have a Fit and all season tires. The ABS is sensing the lose of grip as the front tires are trying to lock up and slide. You need to realize that there is only so much grip associated with your tires.

Ditto. I've got another set of tires with a 300-400? treadwear for the M3 and I can activate the ABS in dry weather with them in situations where the Bridgestone R010's just stop the car.

With the perfect ABS system it is going to stop at the limit of the tire that is on the car. However, no system is perfect. On that note Honda doesn't always put 4 channel systems on their cars. It is quite possible that a 2 or 3 channel system could be causing the car to do some strange things under hard braking. Generally though I'm a big fan of ABS.

I used to be a big fan of ABS, as I had the rare 1.6L Miata with ABS. I am learning now that IMHO, it slowed me down. I ALWAYS drove it too hard into an element, mashed the pedal as hard as I could and let the ABS do its job. I think a good part of the time I either

A. Overslowed
B. Screwed it by cutting it too close and getting off my line
C. Combo of A and B

The 240 does not have ABS and I feel like I keep my momentum going and my lines smoother with out it.

Having ABS in the Miata was neat on track, braking at most 2 makers generally will catch a ton of folks :twisted:

Don't forget, the function of ABS is not to stop you quicker, it is to allow you to control the steering of car under hard braking. Actually, studies have shown that ABS can add distance to the braking distance. And there have been no studies to show ABS reduces your braking distance.

As for braking at 2....that is more a function of speed coming into the turn as to where you can brake :wink:

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:07 pm

Todd Breakey wrote:

Here's the breakdown of Art's Wood:

1st place AS
FTStock
FTRaw
FTPax

That my friend, is alot of wood!!!

Nicely done Art!!! :thumbsup:

Apparently the Ford products have been hold back Art.

RobLupella · **Posted:** Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:09 pm

Nathan Raymond wrote:

Did anyone consider just running over that cone in the center of the Chicago box just to keep speed through the end? Without it, there would have been a nice loooong straightaway to the finish.

I SERIOUSLY entertained the idea but was 50/50 if I would make up the 2 seconds by doing that. I went around it all four times in hopes I would err in favor of better times.

When I was working that section we talked about it, but I just don't think it would make up the 2 second penalty. I also am not sure that if I actually tried to hit a cone I could.......hmmmmmmm new strategy.... :oops:

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:10 pm

jimpastorius wrote:

As for braking at 2....that is more a function of speed coming into the turn as to where you can brake :wink:

Ouch, my feelings are hurt, where are my nunchucks?

I actually got a big surprise back in February with the 240, it isnt nearly as fast as I thought it would be in a straight line. It gets to 100 in a hurry but runs out of steam quick.

I guess it must have something to do with it being a truck motor :oops:

Donnie Jones · **Joined:** Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:34 pm **Posts:** 1

Great event guys and gals as always. I went right all four times on the optional, just seemed like the right thing to do, SIFO, and it set you up better for the left hander into the next element. Sorry about the yard job on the first run of the first session. Ryan, I had fuel starvation too on the first two runs. Had to change tires, go fill up, and come back and do it all over again.

Todd Breakey · **Posted:** Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:24 pm

PhilFausz wrote:

Did anyone else spin out coming out of the sweeper onto the main runway? It's the worst spinout I've ever had without going off, took a full second or so to figure out what direction I was sitting in before I could get going.

I had my scarriest spin ever coming out of the sweeper on my first run. I know what I did wrong, I just don't know why the car spun the way it did. Normally it is very controlled while spinning, not this time. It just went wild!!! :shock:

Wes Eargle · **Joined:** Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:47 am **Posts:** 3683

Todd Breakey wrote:

I know what I did wrong, I just don't know why the car spun the way it did.

Could it have been the flatspotted and heat cycled out RT615s?

Todd Breakey · **Posted:** Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:33 pm

Wes Eargle wrote:

Todd Breakey wrote:

I know what I did wrong, I just don't know why the car spun the way it did.

Could it have been the flatspotted and heat cycled out RT615s?

Yea, more than likely.

Maybe I should get those RE-01Rs taken care of, huh?

Karl Shultz · **Posted:** Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:39 pm

Richard Casto wrote:

Apparently the Ford products have been hold back Art.

There were a number of us, I think, who wondered what would happen if we put Art in something that isn't a 20 year old fox body Mustang. I guess now we know.

Maybe one of these days the car owner will figure out a way to drive it to an FTEverything result...

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