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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:31 am 
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And now for some useful info from me :lol: -

Check out the comments on the new Toyo R1Rs over at sccaforums.com in the street touring section.

Reviews are not good - extreme wear, bad feel, soft carcass. Even the guy who won the Dixie event on them is offering his used set up for sale.


That doesn't surprise me. When the T1R came out, I heard great things about them, etc., so I bought a set for the 2003 330i for street use. The T1R is NOT an R-comp tire, just their designation for the street tire (follow-on tire to the T1S). The moment I drove off on them, I knew they were junk as far as performance tires go. Very imprecise feeling, gooey, sloppy...made the car unstable in transitions.

I tried to convince myself that this was just the mold release that needed to wear off (doing what we all do when we spend $$ for something :) ). After 2k miles, they had not improved. I felt like Toyo cheated me. Then the next month, C&D came out with that tire test where their tester described them exactly as I did/felt. The tires also placed last in the dry performance tests. Last. Dead last in the autocross test.

The good thing about them was that they wore much faster than their treadwear rating would indicate. I couldn't wait to get them off the car since they took away that sharp, do it now, glued to the road feeling the ZHP has when turning. I replaced them with the BFG KDW2 which feels very similar to a Michelin PS2 imo. All was restored.

It is sad that apparently Toyo might have blown it with the R1R. How they can make a nice R-comp (RA1 and Nitto NT-01) and not know how to do a performance street tire properly is a puzzle for sure.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: - You could *not* be a bigger pest than I've been over the past few months with tire questions.


Um, no comment! :roll: :D

David, maybe I missed it but which class are you planning on running?

If you are just starting out, I wouldn't obsess too much over tire choice. Any of the better "summer" tires will be fine and if you find a great deal on something, I don't think you'd be giving up too much in performance at this stage in the game.

I haven't seen you run yet but keep in mind that you can make a car do virtually anything almost independent of setup. If you are over-cooking the corners by a large margin, you'll wind up with terminal understeer no matter how the car is "supposed" to handle.

Before you start throwing parts at the car, get somebody experienced to give it a whirl and see what their impressions are.

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KendtEklund wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol: - You could *not* be a bigger pest than I've been over the past few months with tire questions.


Um, no comment! :roll: :D


:oops: - yeah, I thought my name+"tire" = instant ignore :lol:

Want to try my car at Laurinburg? I'm curious what you'll think of the Dunlops. (I needed track tires, so it is not a loss if they don't match the Stones)

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JamesFeinberg wrote:
KendtEklund wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol: - You could *not* be a bigger pest than I've been over the past few months with tire questions.


Um, no comment! :roll: :D

David, maybe I missed it but which class are you planning on running?

If you are just starting out, I wouldn't obsess too much over tire choice. Any of the better "summer" tires will be fine and if you find a great deal on something, I don't think you'd be giving up too much in performance at this stage in the game.

I haven't seen you run yet but keep in mind that you can make a car do virtually anything almost independent of setup. If you are over-cooking the corners by a large margin, you'll wind up with terminal understeer no matter how the car is "supposed" to handle.

Before you start throwing parts at the car, get somebody experienced to give it a whirl and see what their impressions are.

Jim





sm2









it wasnt like i was planning on running sm2 i just happened to have bought a car that happened to have the stuff to force me into sm2



the other thing with 16's is i keep getting people thinking im a dirty ricer, i keep telling them its not dirt its whole grain but i dont think they are buying it.


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I don't believe that your rear axle modification is SM2 legal, David.

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Wes Eargle wrote:
I don't believe that your rear axle modification is SM2 legal, David.




?????????

now clearly i dont know smack all about classing but i didnt think there was much that wasnt legal in sm2. and by rear axle modification im assuming your talking about my plans for a sway bar. or are you simply refering tto my cars overall shoddy demeanor


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KendtEklund wrote:
:oops: - yeah, I thought my name+"tire" = instant ignore :lol:


It didn't before but it sure does now! :?

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Want to try my car at Laurinburg? I'm curious what you'll think of the Dunlops.


I'll give it a whirl if you are going to be at the novice school. You are welcome to take the R for a spin if you want. I'll be on some Azenis that came with the car so don't expect too much.

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Wes Eargle wrote:
I don't believe that your rear axle modification is SM2 legal, David.


?????????

now clearly i dont know smack all about classing but i didnt think there was much that wasnt legal in sm2. and by rear axle modification im assuming your talking about my plans for a sway bar. or are you simply refering tto my cars overall shoddy demeanor


I'm confused too. That generation of CRX doesn't even have a rear axle. Unless you changed suspension mounting points, there isn't much you can do back there to be illegal.

Jim


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JamesFeinberg wrote:
KendtEklund wrote:
:oops: - yeah, I thought my name+"tire" = instant ignore :lol:


It didn't before but it sure does now! :?


Hey now - 15in Stones are still on the radar - I just needed track tires first. If BS made a 215/40 I would have bought that.

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KendtEklund wrote:
Want to try my car at Laurinburg? I'm curious what you'll think of the Dunlops.


I'll give it a whirl if you are going to be at the novice school. You are welcome to take the R for a spin if you want. I'll be on some Azenis that came with the car so don't expect too much.

Jim


Thanks! I'll be hanging out to help where I can with starts + timing on Sat.

How many sets of wheels do I need before I'm a for-real driver :lol: ?[/quote]

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JamesFeinberg wrote:
davidurriola wrote:
Wes Eargle wrote:
I don't believe that your rear axle modification is SM2 legal, David.


?????????

now clearly i dont know smack all about classing but i didnt think there was much that wasnt legal in sm2. and by rear axle modification im assuming your talking about my plans for a sway bar. or are you simply refering tto my cars overall shoddy demeanor


I'm confused too. That generation of CRX doesn't even have a rear axle. Unless you changed suspension mounting points, there isn't much you can do back there to be illegal.

Jim


It just didn't look like this (from 1988): Link. It looked like a solid rear axle. I could be wrong, I admittedly don't speak Honda.

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Wes Eargle wrote:
JamesFeinberg wrote:
davidurriola wrote:
Wes Eargle wrote:
I don't believe that your rear axle modification is SM2 legal, David.


?????????

now clearly i dont know smack all about classing but i didnt think there was much that wasnt legal in sm2. and by rear axle modification im assuming your talking about my plans for a sway bar. or are you simply refering tto my cars overall shoddy demeanor


I'm confused too. That generation of CRX doesn't even have a rear axle. Unless you changed suspension mounting points, there isn't much you can do back there to be illegal.

Jim


It just didn't look like this (from 1988): Link. It looked like a solid rear axle. I could be wrong, I admittedly don't speak Honda.



no problem man, its hard to tell on my car, what with the chunks of it falling off periodically. but yea thats what it looks like. who knows maybe one day ill have the money to get one of those 4wd crv swaps. but thats not likely anytime soon.


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