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sorry guys but i had to withdrawl, church christmas play for the little ones and not enough time in the day.

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We’re up to 46 entries now. Come on, Walter, I don’t see your name on the entry list. How can I find out whose car is the loudest if you don’t come? I’m looking forward to driving the vette. Just hope it’s warmer than it was in Greensboro last Sunday.

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It will of course change a zillion times between now and a week from Sunday, but the 10 day forecast for Danville is pretty ugly at the moment for the 16th. :cry:

http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USVA0206?from=36hr_fcst10DayLink_undeclared

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Yep, as expected the snow/sleet/rain forecast is now changed to mostly cloudy and 52F.

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Having been a weather watcher for sixteen years (while I was running the charter boat) this comes as no surprise. Frontal systems that create winter weather patterns are highly unpredictable they sometimes speed up, or slow down several times in a ten day period of time. The only real way to tell is one day prior, and even that's not a sure thing.


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So... if the forecast becomes freezing rain or snow or something similar, when do we know that we're cancelling?

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Kevin Allen wrote:
So... if the forecast becomes freezing rain or snow or something similar, when do we know that we're cancelling?

- The Bus Driver


We would probably make the call late Friday, early Saturday.

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Kevin Allen wrote:
So... if the forecast becomes freezing rain or snow or something similar, when do we know that we're cancelling?

- The Bus Driver


Stephen and I talked about that Saturday night. We’d like to wait until Thursday for a final decision. We’ll all be keeping an eye on the weather.

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On a related note, everyone please be mindful of the temperature in relation to the tires you are running. Being the "designated tire nerd", I thought I would point out again how cold temperatures and high performance tires never mix. The reason is that when it is cold enough such that the "glass transition temperature" of the tire rubber compound is approached or passed, the compound essentially has a state change, losing its flexibility and resulting in a dramatic loss of grip.

Unfortunately, tires that can absorb massive quantities of heat and maintain reasonable wear at high levels of grip also have the highest glass transition temperatures. Tglass is highest starting with R-compound tires and the lowest with snow/ice tires. Most R-comps should not even be exposed to temperatures below 35F or so. In fact, Toyo has a warning statement they put out about how subjecting their R-comp tires (RA-1, R888) to temperatures below 32F can result in permanent damage to the tire: http://www.racetire.com/products/bulletins/ToyoCompetitionTireStorage.pdf

Even "max performance summer tires" like the Michelin PS2, the Yoko Advan Neova, etc, will experience siginifcant loss of grip once temperatures drop below 35F or so, with performance beginning to seriously trail off as temps fall below 55F or so. This is really easy to experience with a high-torque/power RWD car as rear grip just seems to disappear taking off or shifting from 1st-2nd once temps start to fall below 55F or so when running max performance summer tires.

Tglass is the reason why we almost ALWAYS see an “instructor” car in the Armco in the first session of an HPDE at VIR when it is below 45F or so in the morning...at least at local CCA events it seems. These "instructors" seemingly can't believe what happened while the organizers just speak of a "cold track not having traction." Well, it is all traced back to a total lack of understanding and respect for the R-comp tire's glass transition temperature. Until you've driven on a tire at or below its Tglass, that internal respect is hard to have I guess. :wink:

Hence, be mindful of the temperatures at winter events...especially on that first run.

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Wow, sir. You used Tglass. He does have a really important point; I hope everyone heeds. I think the following diagram will really clarify anything left to doubt, especially if you aren't of the engineering-type.

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Hope that cleared this up for everyone.


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William Gravely wrote:
Wow, sir. You used Tglass. He does have a really important point; I hope everyone heeds. I think the following diagram will really clarify anything left to doubt, especially if you aren't of the engineering-type.

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Hope that cleared this up for everyone.


Wasn't that one of Stacy King's TT/HPDE graphs from the Christmas Party?

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Arthur McDonald wrote:
William Gravely wrote:
Wow, sir. You used Tglass. He does have a really important point; I hope everyone heeds. I think the following diagram will really clarify anything left to doubt, especially if you aren't of the engineering-type.

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Hope that cleared this up for everyone.


Wasn't that one of Stacy King's TT/HPDE graphs from the Christmas Party?


Proposed CMP configurations, maybe?

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Guys, I'm out. My Mom will be out of town, and I'm on the hook to dog sit for her - I kind of owe her a favor, so I'll be in Raleigh enjoying that. You guys have fun...

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Guys, I'm out. My Mom will be out of town, and I'm on the hook to dog sit for her - I kind of owe her a favor, so I'll be in Raleigh enjoying that. You guys have fun...


Get Bernie to watch the dog!!

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