2 new ST* TIRE contenders in town

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:28 pm

http://www.good-win-racing.com/mazda-ta ... .php?t=882

Kumho and Toyo

JamesFeinberg · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:17 pm

The beginning of the end...

Jim

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:40 pm

JamesFeinberg wrote:

The beginning of the end...

Jim

Nahhh not until Hoosier gets in teh mix.

JamesFeinberg · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:58 pm

I don't think it will take Hoosier joining the party to make the competitors miserable. The current players are edging closer to the "uber" street tire and I think it depends on what winds up happening to the price of the final "top dog." There can be only one... Well, maybe 2.

Anyway, given the relatively small market, once the dust settles and we are left with a sticky street tire with very poor wear characteristics, the general enthusiast will stop buying those for their car. Especially if the prices get out of hand. The current crop of tires isn't far off the crazy price issue once you get past the 15" sizes.

It's the same thing lots of people have been saying for years but given some of the statements by the players coming out of SEMA this year, the "war" certainly looks to be on for real. I hope we are all wrong, that's for sure.

I have a feeling when (if?) I return from my hiatus in the ST* class, the landscape may have significantly shifted for the worse.

Jim

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:59 pm

This is exactly why the "let's get rid of R-compound tires in stock" is a dumb idea. There are a lot fewer ST competitors than stock and look what's happening with street tires now.

--Donnie

Wes Eargle · **Joined:** Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:47 am **Posts:** 3683

Donnie Barnes wrote:

This is exactly why the "let's get rid of R-compound tires in stock" is a dumb idea. There are a lot fewer ST competitors than stock and look what's happening with street tires now.

--Donnie

When has Cole ever had a good idea, though?

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:41 pm

Wes Eargle wrote:

Donnie Barnes wrote:

This is exactly why the "let's get rid of R-compound tires in stock" is a dumb idea. There are a lot fewer ST competitors than stock and look what's happening with street tires now.

When has Cole ever had a good idea, though?

While I understand the jab, believe me, Cole isn't the only one. The SEB gets that a LOT each year. Almost all of it is from folks that don't compete nationally (and likely never will), but we get it. While "a good bit" means an annoying amount, it's not near enough to actually do it. Especially since it wouldn't help anything. There's a good bit of "take away the double adjustable shocks", too. They don't seem to understand that in most cases that would just increase costs, not reduce it...

--Donnie

Wes Eargle · **Joined:** Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:47 am **Posts:** 3683

Donnie Barnes wrote:

Especially since it wouldn't help anything. There's a good bit of "take away the double adjustable shocks", too. They don't seem to understand that in most cases that would just increase costs, not reduce it...

A lot of people will piss and moan, and those are the people that won't take a step back and look at why the rules were implemented as they were. Street tires are no cheaper than DOT race tires if you want to be competitive. There is a reason why stock classes have such an appeal, they're set it and forget it.

JamesFeinberg · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:22 pm

Wes Eargle wrote:

Street tires are no cheaper than DOT race tires if you want to be competitive.

That's untrue if you are good at being a lemming and are running the 15" (and some 16") sizes. Anything bigger than that and, yea, it's crazy.

Wes Eargle wrote:

There is a reason why stock classes have such an appeal, they're set it and forget it.

Untrue as well for the most part unless you've been running in CS or ES the past several years. And even then, it's not quite that simple. At least not on the national level.

In fairness to Chuck, I'm going to pick apart anything Wes says for a few days. Maybe Aaron as well...

Jim
- soon to be a stock class (anti?)lemming

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:44 pm

No dog in this fight...

But with (I may get disagreements here) Street Tire classes somewhat existing to prevent DOT-R tire costs how about using "exclusion list" rules to outlaw any street tire that approaches the cost of DOT-R tires? Sort of like put the word on the street that if these tires go beyond X price level they will be excluded? So bring on the new tires, but keep them priced reasonably?

JamesFeinberg · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:30 pm

Richard Casto wrote:

But with Street Tire classes somewhat existing to prevent DOT-R tire costs how about using "exclusion list" rules to outlaw any street tire that approaches the cost of DOT-R tires?

If Wes wrote that I would say that is the worst idea in the history of mankind. Since you wrote it I'll say it is merely a bad idea.

And now I'm going to pretend Aaron wrote it and not explain why I think it is a bad idea.

As always, just here to help...

Jim

DickRasmussen · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:11 pm

Deja vu all over again . . . the 1980/90's are rerunning again.
:lol:

Whatever happens, do not let SCCA reinstate the minimum 2/32's tread depth rule!!!!!!

Dick

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:59 pm

Richard Casto wrote:

But with (I may get disagreements here) Street Tire classes somewhat existing to prevent DOT-R tire costs how about using "exclusion list" rules to outlaw any street tire that approaches the cost of DOT-R tires? Sort of like put the word on the street that if these tires go beyond X price level they will be excluded? So bring on the new tires, but keep them priced reasonably?

Unenforceable. Just like treadwear limits.

All that would happen is you'd end up with tires that cost less per tire but cost more per run.

History has shown you can't police tire companies with rules.

--Donnie

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:06 pm

JamesFeinberg wrote:

Richard Casto wrote:

But with Street Tire classes somewhat existing to prevent DOT-R tire costs how about using "exclusion list" rules to outlaw any street tire that approaches the cost of DOT-R tires?

If Wes wrote that I would say that is the worst idea in the history of mankind. Since you wrote it I'll say it is merely a bad idea.

And now I'm going to pretend Aaron wrote it and not explain why I think it is a bad idea.

As always, just here to help...

Jim

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:08 pm

Donnie Barnes wrote:

All that would happen is you'd end up with tires that cost less per tire but cost more per run.

Makes sense.

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