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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:18 pm 
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Bernie Baake wrote:
This year I'm only in it for myself. So be it. But to me Now, the Cup means nothing, because I've been taken out of it by the rules change


I don't think top ten pax is out of your reach Don't sell yourself short.

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Stephen Westerfield wrote:
Doesn't sound like you will ever be happy as folks are always going to complain.


You are right, I made the mistake in assuming something could please everyone. That certainly isnt true.

The more I think about it, the more I like it. When tabulating the results earlier, you would be surprised who kicked in for the cup using 07 rules.

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I hate to see the fallout from the NCAC Cup rules change-up make us turn on each other. We're better than that!

At least I still have a chance to win one of those cool NCAC champion jackets, right?


p.s. Jim Carter of Apex... he's the sales mgr for Sport Durst in Durham, right? Why is he entered for Triad? Les, you know what to do....

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Stephen Westerfield wrote:
Bernie Baake wrote:
This year I'm only in it for myself. So be it. But to me Now, the Cup means nothing, because I've been taken out of it by the rules change


I don't think top ten pax is out of your reach Don't sell yourself short.


Half the hot shoes in this club have to stay home before I even get into the top twenty in this club, I might make top forty at the NCAC. But thanks for the flattery


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Arthur McDonald wrote:
I hate to see the fallout from the NCAC Cup rules change-up make us turn on each other. We're better than that!

At least I still have a chance to win one of those cool NCAC champion jackets, right?


Something like this probably should have been discussed during our chat session on Saturday. My feedback would be to the NCAC participants, forget about it and focus on the upcoming task at hand.

You need to focus entirely on course and going out and giving it 100% on that first run and each subsequent run. Focus on executing the stuff you learned on Saturday on course and in the chat session.

Any kind of distraction like this will impact your performance. Autocross by its very nature is an individual endeavor.

Having participated in the NCAC for many, many years, fighting to keep THSCC involved in it, championing it to newbies as a stepping stone; I will tell you it is not about some cup. It is about winning your class and being the state champ for a year.

Additionally, by dropping it and giving Stephen a pat on the back for all the work he has put into it, you will allow him to focus on winning. That is team/club support.

If you want to help the club to win the cup, win your class and drive as fast as can. Then you have done your part. Then help other club members win and drive hard. Does someone need their tires sprayed down? Help them, let them focus on driving. Do your club members have water while they are waiting in grid (we talked on how important hydration is)? If water is not provided to all participants, are we making sure each THSCC member has plenty of water when they go and work course? Are you watching you fellow club members drive and if asked providing constructive feedback to them?

Ok, I am off my soapbox :wink:

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Bernie Baake wrote:
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This year I'm only in it for myself. So be it. But to me Now, the Cup means nothing, because I've been taken out of it by the rules change


I don't think top ten pax is out of your reach Don't sell yourself short.


Half the hot shoes in this club have to stay home before I even get into the top twenty in this club, I might make top forty at the NCAC. But thanks for the flattery


Unfortunately, there are a good number of the hot shoes staying home/busy elsewhere. Remember it is top ten raw and top ten pax for THSCC that counts.....not top ten overall.

Hmmm, where was it that I read....

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Personally my opinion is the club cup was originally invented by Tarheel to "prove" they are the best club in the state thus stoking it's ego even higher (last thing this club needs is more ego IMHO) and is meaningless in the context that the NCAC as the State Championship event. AX was never intended to be a team sport.
Winning the cub cup is even more meaningless if the deck is stacked in favor of the largest group, shear #s are almost always gonna win whether you are talking about NASCAR teams or a gang fight, so what's the point?
Again IMHO the club cup is more divisionary than beneficial. All the clubs should be working in cooporation for the betterment of the sport not fighting each other.
I will be registering as "Independent" under club affiliation, I really don't want to have any part in this club cup nonsense. (I am expecting and ignoring any flames so go ahead and take your cheap shots if it make you feel superior!)

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WalterHouston wrote:
Wes - I think you look for chances to criticize and call other people names. It gets old and doesn't help the club. The rest of us are trying to have a discussion about a controversial issue.


I'm not calling people names here. I am criticizing people continuing to season the soup after the chef (Highlands) has called it good. I agree with Chuck to some extent that autocross isn't a team sport; since it isn't one, there can't be any such rules that make it equitable for all clubs.

I do believe that we have the fastest club in the state, and it would take a crafty set of rules to dethrone us. I think that if the Cup continues after this year, it'll be a third set of rules which we'll win again, and people will stop having interest in the thing. As it is, it's caused more hassle and e-thugging than its worth. I think that we all need to realize that we're members of the premiere car club in the state and act like it -- not publicly second guess other clubs' decisions but instead take the rules and use them to our advantage and kick some ass.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no. And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough ... the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!

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Chuck Frank wrote:
Personally my opinion is the club cup was originally invented by Tarheel to "prove" they are the best club in the state thus stoking it's ego even higher (last thing this club needs is more ego IMHO) and is meaningless in the context that the NCAC as the State Championship event. AX was never intended to be a team sport.
Winning the cub cup is even more meaningless if the deck is stacked in favor of the largest group, shear #s are almost always gonna win whether you are talking about NASCAR teams or a gang fight, so what's the point?
Again IMHO the club cup is more divisionary than beneficial. All the clubs should be working in cooporation for the betterment of the sport not fighting each other.
I will be registering as "Independent" under club affiliation, I really don't want to have any part in this club cup nonsense. (I am expecting and ignoring any flames so go ahead and take your cheap shots if it make you feel superior!)


Um, yeah, thanks for sharing Chuck. :roll:


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Ok lets all stop this.

Chuck, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but once again you are DEAD WRONG about the origins of the cup.

Lets all put our happy faces on and dogpile some other thread.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:14 am 
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Wes Eargle wrote:
I am criticizing people continuing to season the soup after the chef (Highlands) has called it good...... I think that we all need to realize that we're members of the premiere car club in the state and act like it -- not publicly second guess other clubs' decisions but instead take the rules and use them to our advantage and kick some ass.


Let me clarify, the rules aren't a "Highlands" thing. All four club representative's met and decided on this together and thought it was fair.

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