THSCC Forums

Walter

Let me go on record saying "I can't believe you said that"



Hopfully not, unless there are real stud muffins for us gals. Getting a trophy from a Hooters girl didn't really rock my world.

And, on the serious stuff about NCAC. I agree, hashing it out on the forum isn't useful. Bernie and I are entered and we'll have fun whatever the powers that be decide.

Show up with a car.................go fast.......................don't hit cones.......

instant good day!

Gwennie

_________________
SCCA Solo Triad Award Recipient 2014
SCCA HSL National Champion 2012
SCCA DSL National Champion 2013
SCCA DSL National Champion 2014
NCR National Driver of the Year 2012
THSCC Heel of the Year 2011
Former Club Secretary
http://www.petscompanioninn.com

Well, think about it this way: What if the Highlands folks had a suitable site in their backyard, or if they decided to have the event at the Greenville Braves Stadium in Greenville, SC, as they have in years past when the NCAC was an 8-event series? That would make it an easy drive for them but a 5 hour drive for folks in the Triangle area. Now how many Tarheelers would attend the event, and now who would be screaming bloody murder on the forums about how it was "unfair"?

Of course we can make the argument that the site should be "centrally located", but we (excepting Ryan, Vincent, Walter, et al) are centrally located, so it's always going to be easy for us as long at that's the "rule". And we're the biggest club anyway.

I could be wrong, but my feeling is that if Asheville happened to be a good central location, interest (and perhaps even awareness) of the NCAC within this club would be almost non-existent. So I think distance is as big a factor, if not bigger, than raw number of members.

_________________
Carl Fisher

Be Cool to the Pizza Dude:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=4651531

Hopefully, that ridiculous part of the NCAC is a thing of the past.

_________________
Current stable:
2019 BMW M2 Competition slicktop 6MT
2011 BMW M3 sedan slicktop 6MT
2007 BMW 328i wagon (slushbox for now)
1975 CanAm 125MX2

Quick question and this is just out of curiousity but why are we going to be running a Pro class at the NCAC? This will only be my third year running the NCAC so I am hardly experienced with this event but I don't remember having a Pro class in the past. I just woudl like to hear opinions on the matter, I am not saying it is right or wrong. TIA

_________________
2010 Honda Fit Sport
Couple of bicycles

I don't recall a Pro class in the past, and I'm not sure why you'd want one. In theory the only reason Tarheel has one is to keep hot shoes who only run occasionally from spoiling class points for someone. I see no other advantage since Tarheel always posts overall PAX results and anyone wanting to measure themselves overall would just use that anyway. Personally I say get rid of Pro or X or whatever you want to call it and just let people exempt themselves from points somehow. I doubt most of the people running Pro are doing it for the trophy in Pro...

But hey, I won't be there, so my opinion doesn't matter.

--Donnie

I know we had a Pro class NCAC trophy in 2000 cuz I won it. We did not have one last year when Tarheel hosted it; I can't find '05 results on the Triad site so I don't know what they did. In any event, I'd say it's up to the hosting club to decide what classes to support.

_________________
Carl Fisher

Be Cool to the Pizza Dude:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=4651531

Yup, we decided last year, Highlands decides this year. Maybe they didn't think about it though. If Shane pops in, maybe he will answer. Or you could post the question on Highlands forum.

_________________
Stephen Westerfield
2009 Infiniti M35 | 2007 Honda Fit Sport | 2005 Ford Mustang GT |2000 GMC Sierra |1992 Acura Integra LS | Super Westerfield Bros Acura Integra

I think it is a little odd having a Pro class at the NCAC especially considering some of the complaining others did last year when Tarheel tried to change up some of the classes a bit. A few people were hollering "tradition" or something when it seems things are apt to change from time to time.

Novice class seems even stranger but it's their show this year and I'm going to have fun no matter what the format or classing structure. As much as I dislike PAX as an absolute performance metric, I'm going to run Pro if that's where the competition is.



I disagree. I tend to think X class may encourage participation in some of the open classes if one or two people are dominating a particular class. In that case, if the "hot shoes" run X, it lets others compete for the top position who may otherwise choose to run another class where they feel like they have a better chance even if that isn't necessarily the "natural" place for their car.



Speak for yourself, pal. I'm all about the refrigerator magnet!!!

Jim

Its a trophy, bitch!

_________________
02 Focus SVT
STF 9

Oh, my bad.

I tried to mount them on the wall but they kept falling off-- I'll try some glue. That could actually save me from buying a bigger refrigerator in a couple of years anyway.

Jim

Hi guys,
The purpose of having a Pro class is for non-NCAC club affiliated hot shoe drivers to compete against one another without affecting Club Cup points. To be honest, we hadn't really discussed it prior to opening online registration. I went ahead and made it available because I thought that's how it was done in the past (see info for Tarheel's event here). Same thing for Novice class.

We have a meeting this Wednesday. I'll make sure to clarify what our intentions are with regard to classes and trophies and get back with you all later this week.

_________________
Highlands Sports Car Club

Perhaps there was some confusion in that regard. Tarheel didn't have a Pro or Novice class last year at the NCAC. If you happened to be running one of those classes within Tarheel last year, they were scored separately for Tarheel club points but you still ran your appropriate open class at the NCAC. Pro (or 'X') was handled that way but I think Novice was dropped all together since we didn't have a season long championship for Novice.

I don't believe CCR or Triad had a Pro or Novice class the previous 2 years either but my memory is a little fuzzy on that one. 2000 may have been the last time Pro was offered at the NCAC. I believe I started running the NCAC in 2001 and I don't ever remember it being offered. No big deal either way, though.

Jim

Sorry! Just a double meaning joke! Didn't mean to shock or offend!
Bernie and I can hand out the trophies for the women! Will that work?

Seriously, let's just keep the peace with the other clubs.

_________________
Rubbin' is Racin'

Walter,

No shock or offense taken. Just poking a little fun your way.

I tend to agree with Chuck on the “trophy girl” thing anyway, but that’s probably my age, plus not being a part of things years ago when they first had trophy girls.

Just looking forward to the NCAC weekend. However Highlands works things out is fine.

_________________
SCCA Solo Triad Award Recipient 2014
SCCA HSL National Champion 2012
SCCA DSL National Champion 2013
SCCA DSL National Champion 2014
NCR National Driver of the Year 2012
THSCC Heel of the Year 2011
Former Club Secretary
http://www.petscompanioninn.com

First: Highlands gets an enormous amount of respect for me for running a 2-day NCAC so darned far from their home. I really appreciate all the work they have -- and are about to -- put into it. The fact that they're the smallest of the clubs simply emphasizes that effort.

Personally, having been part of the first NCACs, where travelling was the norm, I'd still be happy if they did put it on in Asheville. I'd definitely go anyway, and you wouldn't hear a single word of bitching from me over the distance.

My only concern over the Club Cup being skewed to favor smaller clubs is that it might discourage people from entering. If the system was based on number of entries, some clubs might encourage cherry-picking and only want their top people to enter. If you want to do proportionally, how about taking as a base number the average autocross entries in each club's previous year's home events (not including the NCAC)? But heck, you guys will work it out anyway, I'll shut up now rather than rehash what we all discussed last year.

_________________
Martyn Wheeler
AXing Kit's '05 Mazda 3, #29 HStock
(when The Gonzo Symphonic allows)