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I'll let Bryan know. He's been planning on joining THSCC but keeps forgetting, but I know his schedule will allow for this. - AB

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I'd personally prefer something with even *less* structure than that. I'm not sure with that few people you'd need to "rotate" or anything. Just let people go do which of the stations they want. I've got little use for a skidpad at all, so that 1.5 hours would be wasted. In my past experience with TnT's at Laurinburg, we didn't have much problem with people splitting up well. Even if you ended up with everyone at two or three stations (ie. one or two empty), I don't think it would be a big deal. With that few people I really don't think anyone would care to even do "work" assignments at stations...someone would just announce a "cleanup run" to everyone in line (all that really matters is that you let the person behind you know) and drive through picking up cones. I personally don't mind taking runs when a cone or two are down, in fact.

I'm not saying I *won't* do it if you want it that structured, but I'd really prefer less structure. For dates during the week I could even be interested in multiples of this (unlikely, but in the event others are I figured I'd throw it out).


--Donnie

A skid pad really doesn't need to be manned with workers, so it could be an optional element. Sweepers would require minimal work stations. I think what Mike is proposing is a good idea all the way around. But I' like to see it at Danville where the NCAC is being held. We can help(Gwen & I) anytime.

I'd second the less structure. But then, I'm looking for more of a tune up for Nats assuming I have enough tire. More than likely will since I'll be buying a fresh set for the trip.

Anyhow, maybe two course? Just design them so we can run them the opposite direction after lunch?

I know only can be timed.

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I'm not sure what I'm driving.
Maybe an ITR in DS.
Or half-assed STX prepped 330.

Interested. Danville would be good for practicing for NCAC, but Sanford is a lot closer...

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I like the multiple station idea but the less structure the better I think.

Nationals warmup course(s) will be available in other places (like Topeka) so it would be great to have a true TnT "event".

Jim

Yeah, I'd add that I'd prefer more TnT and less "nationals warmup."


--Donnie

I suggested the other day (in the thread for that Rockingham thing Triad is helping run) that we rent Danville on Aug 19 for a members-only pre-NCAC practice. On second thought, we should rent it both Saturday and Sunday to give our members the most flexibility in choosing when they want their practice time, or if they want to practice both days.

As to Danville or Sanford --- Danville. No point in practicing on a different surface.

I nominate Karl Shultz as event chair. He's obviously not found enough things to keep himself busy these days.

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Considering quite a few Tarheel members are going to be running the SpeedFed event, the 19th seems less than ideal. Those same people would probably be interested in the TnT so it would be a shame to have to pick between the 2 considering the scarcity of events in August. A 2-day affair wouldn't be bad but are people willing to burn that much tire for practice? I am but my tires are cheap and don't exactly wear much.

Jim

Jim - What does SpeedFed mean anyway? I looked through their website and could not find an explanation. Some kind of speed eating competition? That can't be healthy.

In any event, as a loyal THSCC member (not saying you aren't, nope, not saying that at all ) I see no reason to go to a non-NCAC TRIAD event. However, you've already entered and you will probably take their money, and Wes says you will certainly win the bikini contest, so go for it.

I still think we should have a practice / informal training day that would help the rest of the THSCCers who plan to run the NCAC event get ready. Each site requires a different approach, and there are people in our club who could help the less experienced (or semi-clueless, like me) folks get dialed in on the Danville site.

I haven't run a non-THSCC NCAC event since 1996 (long story), but I hated missing last year's NCAC. I do plan to run this year's NCAC, assuming it really happens, and I would love to see THSCC run away with every trophy possible.

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Art McDonald
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Art, I think you're looking for something different than the rest of us who posted on the thread, personally. You want something more like a school to help you get dialed in for the NCAC, period, and it seems you want it open to a lot of people to help THSCC win the NCAC overall whatever.

Everyone else seems to want a small weekday TnT where we get a *lot* of runs to do some testing of different things as well as car dialing. So perhaps consider offering to chair your event in a separate thread.


--Donnie

Exactly. I want a bunch of pavement, some cones, and lots and lots of time to change stuff.

Donnie, I think I agree on your comment about avoiding structure, and letting people run where they may. I was just thinking about making sure that people are available for stopwatch duty, timer duty, etc... Need to think about it more.

Realistically, if 10 people are willing to spend $100 each we can probably rent Sanford for a day. If 30 people want to do this, I think we may want to consider doing it for 2 days in a row to avoid crowding the place. Personally, I am willing to spend $$ to avoid waiting in lines.

Give me a week or so to put something together for the officers and work on scheduling. Also need to call Bimmerworld and give them a Cash Infusion.

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Is the rental different for a Saturday or Sun rather than a weekday? We would be interested in a true pure test and tune as well where we could work on setup rather than a practice course, i.e. no real structure, course segments where the emphasis is on car balance and handling rather than driving skill. Skid pads need to be pretty big to be of serious value ~ 200' diameter like a continuous sweeper. Otherwise all you do is get dizzy since the tire slip angle becomes the controlling parameter more than car balance.
I prefer Danville the surface grip is similar to Topeka and tire wear is less an issue. Cost for a test and tune should also be per car, not per driver, the car can only make so many runs, no matter how many or who is driving it.

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Not true, it can take twice the number of runs because the drivers can alternate working and driving. Just because one pair may decide *not* to pursue that option doesn't negate it. Should a driver that breaks his car on his first "run" get a refund?

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This is NOT a school or driving practice, nor is there to be formal run/work groups (at least for us to be interested) from what is being discussed. A TEST AND TUNE is to set up the/a car, not to see how many runs you can make. So alternating one running while the other is working is not even a concept that makes sense or a concern at such an event. If you ask someone else to test drive your car are you going to be charged for a second driver??? In a test and tune you make a setup change then run the car to see the effect of that change, then you make another change and run the car again, and so on and so forth. The car does not continue running non stop, there would be no benefit nor purpose to do that. Some changes, i.e. swaybar replacement, alignment changes, coilover height adjustments, brake pad swaps, etc etc may take some time to complete where the car would not even be on course. That is the purpose of a test and tune to have the time and oportunity to test out setup changes that would not be feasable at an event or school and would not be realistically able to be evaluated, Some may only have a few changes, shock adjustments, tire pressures etc they are interested in persuing so may not stay more than an hour or two, not everyone will make the same amount of runs. A worthwhile test and tune would have individual stations of only one type of feature i.e. a 6 cone 60' slallom, a 200' circular skid pad, a 100' straight accelleration/ measured decleleration strip that would each test the car setup not driver prowess.
A multi-featured "course" throws in too many driver induced variables to accurately measure anything but driver skill.

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