All bracket-race event?

KendtEklund · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:29 pm **Posts:** 1204

I've been throwing ideas around for an all-bracket race competition, and came up with this:

Divide entrants in half (one group alternates work while the other group runs).

Everyone in group runs to see the course, decide on a dial-in - bracket forms fastest->slowest.
Winners get +1 point, losers -1 point. Match winners vs. winners, losers vs. losers. Repeat 4-5 times (so everyone gets so many runs). If there is a clear point leader, they win that half and go on to the finals. If there's a tie, then have a Thunderdome multidriver runoff.

Repeat for the second half of the field to get the final pairing.
Run a matchup of all the lowest scored drivers (at least 1 from each, or group of tied scores) to let them have one more shot at glory.

Stupid? Crazy? Both?

Ash Nelson · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2007 7:25 pm

That is just stupid crazy!

Count me in!

Wes Eargle · **Joined:** Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:47 am **Posts:** 3683

A two day V Foundation charity event ... Day 1 would be the points event, no hard cap on drivers and Day 2 would be a bracket challenge. Hmmm.

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2007 7:49 pm

Wes Eargle wrote:

A two day V Foundation charity event ... Day 1 would be the points event, no hard cap on drivers and Day 2 would be a bracket challenge. Hmmm.

I bet the ESA would be a great venue for that event!

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2007 8:34 pm

It sounds ok, but doesn't reward people for driving fast, just consistently. I think what should happen is that your day 1 fastest raw time becomes your day 2 dial in (unless you beat it in the challenge and then it goes down to that on the next run).

Then, when you match up one person against another, if you have the faster dial in, you get added to your time the differential from the slower car. For example:

Car A dial in: 56.500
Car B dial in: 53.500

Thus, car B will have 3 seconds added on to the time they run. If the Car A beats Car B's time with the 3 seconds added, Car A wins. If not, Car B wins.

Whoever moves on, their dial in is the faster of the Day 1 dial in or the fastest run on Day 2. That mitigates sandbagging (at least in round 2 on) yet still requires drivers to drive quickly, not just consistently.

This will stop adding on cones into the dial in, etc... Just my 2 cents. - AB

KendtEklund · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:29 pm **Posts:** 1204

I kinda like the strategy of it all - but using the fastest day 1 time as the dial-in is a great idea. Keep it fixed at that, but have break-outs still apply.
Adds to the drama, and I had a blast after hitting a cone knowing I needed to *really* push to breakout and hope I only had one cone that run. It was dirty, but my fastest run.

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2007 9:11 pm

KendtEklund wrote:

I kinda like the strategy of it all - but using the fastest day 1 time as the dial-in is a great idea. Keep it fixed at that, but have break-outs still apply.
Adds to the drama, and I had a blast after hitting a cone knowing I needed to *really* push to breakout and hope I only had one cone that run. It was dirty, but my fastest run.

Break outs and you lose doesn't reward driving faster... so then you're back to a consistency battle. It should require you to constantly improve or go home. - AB

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2007 9:22 pm

Aaron Buckley wrote:

Break outs and you lose doesn't reward driving faster... so then you're back to a consistency battle. It should require you to constantly improve or go home. - AB

That's the funny thing to me about modern-day drag racing. Pretty much everything you see outside of what you can see on TV (big NHRA and IHRA events) is bracket racing to a dial-in. It's not about beating the other guy, it's about hitting your dial-in closer (along with the added RT issue, of course). Big deal. That's not racing, that's some sort of strange driving exercise that might be fun a few times, but isn't in itself something that would keep my attention for very long.

That's not to diss the Jimmy V thing, though. I think that's a great way to generate some extra money for a good cause and is somewhat fun to do once a year. But Aaron's idea sounds a lot more fun to me for some sort of bigger event.

--Donnie

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

Aaron Buckley wrote:

It sounds ok, but doesn't reward people for driving fast, just consistently. I think what should happen is that your day 1 fastest raw time becomes your day 2 dial in (unless you beat it in the challenge and then it goes down to that on the next run).

Sounds like a sore loser to me. Especially someone who tried to use the same strategy the year before... ;-)

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Wed May 23, 2007 9:05 am

Les Davis wrote:

Sounds like a sore loser to me. Especially someone who tried to use the same strategy the year before... ;-)

No sore loser. You beat me fair and square to the rules. I just think that for a non-charity event we would structure it for improving our times and not consistency only.

For the top drivers in the club, after 4-5 runs on a course from the day prior, they've squeezed most if not all of the time out of the course. They might pick up .2 -.3 second with follow on runs.

The drivers with less experience generally will continue to pick up more time with each run on the same course. Now there is a pressure factor to it, but I think the playing field for an event like this would be even. - AB

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Wed May 23, 2007 10:14 am

Aaron Buckley wrote:

It sounds ok, but doesn't reward people for driving fast, just consistently.

That's bracket racing...duh!

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Wed May 23, 2007 10:22 am

Vincent Keene wrote:

That's bracket racing...duh!

Bracket racin' is da ghey - AB

KendtEklund · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:29 pm **Posts:** 1204

Aaron Buckley wrote:

For the top drivers in the club, after 4-5 runs on a course from the day prior, they've squeezed most if not all of the time out of the course. They might pick up .2 -.3 second with follow on runs.

The drivers with less experience generally will continue to pick up more time with each run on the same course. Now there is a pressure factor to it, but I think the playing field for an event like this would be even. - AB

True - that gives the newer drivers almost an advantage over the seasoned drivers. They'll have to push harder to make up time that us noobs may find with a simple change of line.

Just thinking about the scorers, having the dialin change on each round could be hard to keep track of. Maybe just keep the dial-in at the fastest day-1 time, then the matchup winner is the one with the greatest improvement over the dialin time in any given matchup?

If this is a year away I could even code a simple database for the scoring.

I like the idea that it's head-to-head and that strategy could change for every match-up.

As long as it's fun!

JamesFeinberg · **Posted:** Wed May 23, 2007 10:44 am

If you haven't already, you might want to check out the DoubleX format that the Atlanta Region will be using again this year. Most of the ideas in this thread are very similar to the DoubleX format with the exception of the DoubleX's single-course layout with 2 cars competing simultaneously.

It will be interesting to see how the Atlanta Region handles the potential large number of entrants this year. Last year with "only" ~120 entrants made for some very long days. A lot of that had to do with a massive overlap dictated by the fact that the previous cars had to clear the course before the next 2 were sent.

Jim

Wes Eargle · **Joined:** Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:47 am **Posts:** 3683

There was no way that we could allow dial in changes for every run and not cause Scott to go postal. If it were the event instead of the icing on the cake, it could be implemented better.

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