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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:48 pm 
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I'm considering co-driving with someone (not on this forum) next year in his car. What is the normal arrangement pertaining to costs. (ie. splitting suspension upgrades, splitting tire costs or paying for entry fees.) I'ld like to hear how others do this. Thanks

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 Post subject: Re: Co-driving
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I'm considering co-driving with someone (not on this forum) next year in his car. What is the normal arrangement pertaining to costs. (ie. splitting suspension upgrades, splitting tire costs or paying for entry fees.) I'ld like to hear how others do this. Thanks


I think 50$ or so for the year. Atleast that's what Les and I agreed on for me to co-drive the z06 with him next year.


sorry, I have nothing usefull to add to this thread

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I have heard that the co-driver usually pays for the tires. I have never had a co-drive for longer than one or two events so I am not sure how a season long co-drive works.

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50 bucks sounds more than fair. Is he looking for another 50? :lol:

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As a strict co-drive, I'd say that vehicle modifications are not yours to pay for. you allot a certain amount of cash per run to cover all wear items, etc.

Pretty sure Aaron was paying $10/15 per run in Eric's Spyder several years ago. That's in a car prepped to be nationally competitive.

I'd start there and work down depending on prep and the condition of the tires you expect to use.

It might be as simple as you buy the tires, both of you drive.

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As a strict co-drive, I'd say that vehicle modifications are not yours to pay for. you allot a certain amount of cash per run to cover all wear items, etc.

Pretty sure Aaron was paying $10/15 per run in Eric's Spyder several years ago. That's in a car prepped to be nationally competitive.

I'd start there and work down depending on prep and the condition of the tires you expect to use.

It might be as simple as you buy the tires, both of you drive.

Scott


IIRC it was $20 per run with Eric, which is probably the smartest way to do a co-drive on an event to event basis. With Bryan (been co-driving Nationally together since '01), we just split tires, gas, alignmnents and some of the upgrades (Konis, wheels, etc.). - AB

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Vern, just my 2 cents, but the best arrangement is one that both parties feel is a fair deal! There is no "standard" co-drive arrangement as there are a whole bunch of different ways folks figure out to make things work for their particular situations. Every co-drive situation I've had has been a bit different.

When I co-drove Tim Aro's 10AE back in 2000 we calculated out tire costs on a per run basis (e.g., a set of tires costs x dollars + tire mounting/flipping and we get y runs and thus arrived at the cost). We also split gas, hotel, then I bought a used tire trailer for him w/o him asking for it, and then I helped pay for the various parts we needed to buy when the car was malfuntioning on a weekly basis...though, he covered most of that cost.

When Tim drove my Spyder the next year we did the same thing in reverse, expect the cost went up since we changed to Hoosiers. We also split the cost of having shocks custom built for the car.

I can't remember what I charged Buckely back in 2002...$20/run sounds about right. I did the same for Donnie, but charged him $1,000 per run. After a full season he finally figured he was getting screwed, so to get even with me he foreced me to sell my car, bought that POS 2004 Spyder and made me drive it :-) When I started driving Donnie's cars we worked out a different deal. In addition to our arrangement, Chris & I have "pitched in" to helped pay for clutch replacments, misc. parts, and other stuff. For one or two event deals where I'd really like to have a co-driver in the car I usually cut folks a good deal (i.e., meaning I'm losing money). So, once again, there is not one (1) right way to do it and I'm aware of a lot of other arrangements.

Some folks charge as much as $500 per national event to run a car. BTW, that's the highest amount I've heard of.

A note of caution to car owners...it is very easy to underestimate the cost of letting someone drive your car, so spend a fair amount of time in calculating things beyond tires & mounting & flipping. If a car is really well set-up it can take a lot of money and even more time to get it right. Plus, having a second or third driver adds to your workload in that you're getting tires changed/flipped more often...and stuff may tend to break more frequently. Someone who wants to co-drive a really well set up car should be willing to contribute more than just the costs of rubber.

I hope that helps.

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This is all good info. It's exactly what I was looking for. If anyone has anything else, I definitely appreciate the input. Thanks!

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I had several co-drivers during this season with my 2004 z06. My deal for National tour events was always: $100 per day, plus my entry fee, plus a good steak dinner :) . For ProSolos it was $125 per day due to the extra wear.

This covered my costs pretty well.

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So much depends on the car itself and the event(s) is this a year long arrangement for how many events? What happens in the case of you wanting to attend an event that the car owner doesn't? Are there contingencies available? Who gets them? A proven nationally competitive car at a national event with an "arrive and drive/winner takes all" arrangement will usually be the most expensive, in the 2-500.00 per event range. People we have rented from and to also base their fees on how hard you are on equipment and likelyhood of winning. When we were renting out the Celica when it was nationally competitive it ranged from nothing (if the driver could provide us with a lot of help) to a set of tires, to no rent/spit the contingencies (again to someone who could provide a lot of feedback/advice), to 300.00 + split contingencies for arrive and drive.
For local/fun events only, whatever you both feel is fair.

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