Evolution School

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:40 am

Jean Kinser at Evolution Schools has generously offered us a couple of free school passes to give away at the NCAC. In my discussions with her, I agreed to try and organize a school that would be hosted by us at one of our sites. In an earlier thread, I asked everyone to shoot me a PM if they were interested in attending. I got enough responses that it looks like we should be able to pull this off.

I would like to try and have the school this year instead of doing an intemediate school like we usually do, unfortunately, we only have a few events left, so I have to get crackin'. I discussed our options with Jean and the one that really appealed to me was for us to have a half day Phase 1 school and a half day Phase 2 school. Students could attend either session for a half day or go to both if they like. Based on the responses I got, most of the folks weren't true Novices, so this seems like a good fit for our club. Talking to one of the Evo instructors, we agreed that either Danville or Laurinburg would be best for such a format. Another plus for the split day format is, it would better prepare us to host the Extreme AX school that Evolution is now offering sometime next year.

With that being the case and our calendar the way it is now, September is out because Triad is having thier September event the saturday before ours in Danville. That leaves either the October event in Laurinburg, or the November event in ?????

Laurinburg: A little further away, use a little more tire....but, we will probably be able to keep the event fees down.

Danville: More tire friendly, higher cost of entry.

In regards to the entry fees, for the half day phases, the entry fee would be roughly half what it is for a usual full day Evolution School. I think that it is roughly in the $200 range, so the half day schools would be about $100 probably. If we have the school in Laurinburg, we will try and get that cost as low as we can.

For those that are interested and would actually sign up for this....please answer the poll question as to your preferance of date.

If you have any questions, feel free to post them here or pm me and I will do my best to answer them with the info I have so far.

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:14 am

I would love to take Phase 2 again, especially with the Camaro. But I am not sure a half day is worth it. Especially since you will still incur the lodging and travel costs.

Any way to have both full day phases running at the same time?

The last time THSCC hosted Evo, Miles had 3 classes running Friday and Saturday....I still do not think he has recovered from that!

Keith Vail · **Posted:** Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:22 am

jimpastorius wrote:

I would love to take Phase 2 again, especially with the Camaro. But I am not sure a half day is worth it. Especially since you will still incur the lodging and travel costs.

Any way to have both full day phases running at the same time?

I would love to take the phase 2 since I took the phase 1 last year, but only a 1/2 day long session doesn't sound like they could get everything your supposed to cover in. Plus the other required costs as Jim mentioned.

Todd Breakey · **Posted:** Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:18 pm

I would love to take the Phase 1 course. And I'm sure that Adam would be in for one.

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:45 pm

jimpastorius wrote:

Any way to have both full day phases running at the same time?

Let me get back in touch with Jean and see what kind of numbers we would have to do that.

Chuck Frank · **Posted:** Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:21 pm

Laurenburg would not be a large (wide) enough site for the evo courses IMHO. They require a near square venue even Danville would be minimum. Maybe get together with Triad and use the Greenboro Coll. lot? (ducking..., but it would be the closest large enough venue)
I'm sure that Adam would be more than up for it, he's still on his free pass! :wink:

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:34 pm

Chuck Frank wrote:

Laurenburg would not be a large (wide) enough site for the evo courses IMHO. They require a near square venue even Danville would be minimum. Maybe get together with Triad and use the Greenboro Coll. lot? (ducking..., but it would be the closest large enough venue)
I'm sure that Adam would be more than up for it, he's still on his free pass! :wink:

Sure...we can have an Evolution School at the Greensboro Coliseum.....at $500 bucks per student entry fee. I don't see that happening. I can assure you Tarheel won't be hosting another event there until the 2010 NCAC. We have to work with what we got Chuck....thanks for the suggestion though.

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:38 pm

Areas of Laurinburg would be large enough for either school. Another option is to look into the availability of VMP (rumor has it that it will be available mid-October).

We had Evo down in Lumberton and it was fine for Phase 1-3. Triad has used Danville for schools and even Pungo has hosted schools. And don't forget the Challenge school in the shopping center...

A couple of years ago, the novice school was actually a pretty close clone of the old Phase 1 course :-)

Yes, I caught crap for doing that :shock:

Graham Jagger · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:53 am **Posts:** 1718

jimpastorius wrote:

A couple of years ago, the novice school was actually a pretty close clone of the old Phase 1 course :-)

Yes, I caught crap for doing that :shock:

Ahem, errr, pretty close huh :lol:

That was my first event with THSCC. I even had Jim as my instructor. That course did fit on the main runway at L'burg but it was a bit busy.

When I took the Evo Phase I school ( the real one, not Jim's :wink:

). It was at Pungo. We used the lot that was more square and it does affect the course. You might get that course to fit better at Greenville than one of the airports. I didn't do Phase II but saw the course layout. That one seemed to fit the airport runway well.

VMP would be perfect if you could get it.

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:58 pm

Not sure when the last school Chuck took was, but they've been modifying their course designs for thin lots quite often. Laurinburg will work fine.

I've seen the course on paper for the Extreme school. Looks like hella-fun.

I'll clear my schedule for an Extreme school...

--Donnie

Emmie Fisher · **Posted:** Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:05 pm

Carl and I took Phase I twice and Phase II twice. 3 of those were at the old Rocky Mt site and 1 was at Lumberton. From that, obviously the site doesn't *have* to be square as neither of those sites are. What *did* seem good, though, was that most of both of those sites had continuous usable areas. Though, L'burg is my *very* favorite site, as I picture the sites and their continuous usable areas in my mind, it seems that, of L'burg, Sanford, and Danville, Danville might be the best. Assuming they're using the same layouts as before, I think Sanford's layout would probably work as well as Danville's, but I like the grip better at Danville.

If you've never taken one of these schools and you're on the fence about it, in my opinion, these schools are *well* worth the $! I got more from some instructors than others, but I *always* felt like I got *something* from the schools. And, if the school is an entire day (and I'm with the folks who think you need an entire day per phase), plan to burn up *a lot* of rubber no matter where the school is held.

Anthony Hodges · **Joined:** Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:53 pm **Posts:** 29

Blue Ridge Region did Phase 1 and 2 at Danville this past spring,It seemed to work fine.I'm sure you would have no problem filling up both sections again.

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

I think you should do it in October, so that I get to keep the rallycross-style non-points autox event at Laurinburg Nov 19th. Let me know asap if you decide to drop it for the EVO school.

Chuck Frank · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:37 pm

Actually the last Evo school I took was July 1, 2006 at Fed Ex where they were running phase 1, 2, and 4 all at the same time in ajacent lots so I saw all except the phase 3 course in use. (phase 3 was being given the next day). A critical feature of the phase 1 course is it is basically a figure 8. the timer is set up with trips at the crossover to allow for segment times. If the circles are not of a significant diameter to allow 2nd gear and/or of a constant radius to teach looking ahead and setting an arc around a 180+ sweeper into a Chicago box a major part of the value of that phase will be comprimised IMHO. The phase2 course is less critical. Lets not even talk about that phase 4 at the Mall... (a perfect example of forcing an Evo course into an non-optimum shaped lot). Adam B. has taken more schools in the last two years than most of the instructors have taught, so I'd love to hear his opinion of the suitability of all the available venues. I am only offering an opinion, it can be totally disregarded since it's unlikely we would be doing either school.

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:24 pm

You're right, Chuck. The sky is falling, it's all gonna suck. :roll:

We all know that having a school on a mammoth lot is better. I'm just saying they're pretty good at adapting these days, and IMHO the wide area at Laurinburg *is* just fine for an Evo school. I don't think any learning will be compromised in a significant manner. But if I had my druthers, yeah, paving the "infield" at Laurinburg and using *that* would be nice. I believe the course design for the Extreme school would be fine there, too.

I think Tarheel should increase all prices 50% and start being *tight as hell* with money. Then get a good investment broker. In ten years we could afford to pave a big lot. :-)

--Donnie

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