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You missed my point entirely. Go back and reread Richard's post on page two if you have an issue with my italicized aside. The "pathetic" comment was using your own words against you, which is fair game on teh intarweb.

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Has no responsibility whatsoever.

I think you should suck it up, go run in STS against Jeb Brookshire, get your ass kicked for a while and maybe you'll eventually beat him, if you're any good. Your car is less prepared for STS than his car is, but I guarantee you that Feinberg could beat Jeb in your car - so don't even bring that argument. I was the only guy with an STS 2.5RS when I first started, so I decided to compare times with an STX WRX driver, who also happens to be a national champion now. I rode with him and he rode with me, and I learned a lot from him - and from a lot of other people in the same way. I was pretty excited the first time I beat Mr. Hoppe in pax, especially because my car was way less prepared than his. Jeb's not a national champion or anything, but he's obviously a better autoxer than you are right now, so maybe you could get some ride-alongs and learn something from him.

Just a thought... feel free to misinterpret everything I said and not drink the water.

I suspect when Wes said "attacks started about when Casto suggested, for the record" he was referring to Richard's uncanny Dionne Warwick-like abilities to see the future:



Lilfe is much easier when you don't view everything as a personal attack on yourself or someone else.

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Not spectacular just decent.
I'm not sure what I'm driving.
Maybe an ITR in DS.
Or half-assed STX prepped 330.

On a serious note, who stole Jim P's keyboard?

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In need of car.

I know Jeb and am quite good friends with him from the mazda3forums, and I certainly am watching his times intently every weekend, I use him as a benchmark to see how I'm doing, despite him not being in my class. He and I definitely talk, and I try and learn from him. Doesn't change the fact that his car is classed appropriately, and my car would be more appropriate for TIR w/ HS pax.

I just don't understand this, TIR exists for a reason, the same reason that classes exist in the first place. What is the reason to do away with it?

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2012 MX-5 Sport SUV

Hmm this sure sounds like your down on them...




So I was pathetic when I was runing TIR class and bought the best street tire out there even though it was more expensive than most of the other tires I could have gotten?

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David Teague
2015 Lexus IS 250c
1994 Honda Del Sol HS 39
2009 Dodge Journey R/T
http://teaguefamily.us

you do realize that TIR is a made up class right...and it was made up way before all the ST* classes came into existance. what we are trying to discuss is the viability of a TIR class now that we have all the new ST* classes.

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05 MCS

[quote="BriceJohnson" Doesn't change the fact that his car is classed appropriately, and my car would be more appropriate for TIR w/ HS pax.[/quote]

You car is classed approatley in HS, Look in the SCCA rulebook, what tires you run has nothing to do with how your car is classed. TIR is local class only.

IMHO I think most people should only spend one year in TIR class beforem moving to open class the next year no matter what tires they have. Like I siad before TIR class should only be for casual auto-x's, if you have done it fore more than a year you are not causual about it. If you stay on street tires and win in open class, trust me it is a great accompishment, and I have the TSCC trophy to prove it .

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David Teague
2015 Lexus IS 250c
1994 Honda Del Sol HS 39
2009 Dodge Journey R/T
http://teaguefamily.us

I shouldn't have used that word, you are correct. But someone who spends their money in the specific interest of winning a class at autocross differs from my priorities. I was more making that statement to show that few people like this exist, didn't mean to insult the few who do/did, my bad. I shouldn't have made the judgement, you are correct, but I think it makes more sense to spend money on mods that you notice and enjoy on the street in ADDITION to at autocross, rather than feeling like the SCCA should dictate what you buy for your car. Its a difference in opinion. I just think that if you are specifically going to spend money to improve your standing at autocross, you'd be better off to spend it on mods that would move you towards the STS route or the open class route, few are focused on winning TIR like that, b/c those mods don't necessarily improve the car in everyday driving, at least not as cost effectively as mods that take you down the STS/open class route.

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2012 MX-5 Sport SUV

right, and I'm arguing that it should still exist for those who want to run a stock car on street tires, since no class exists for those drivers to run competitively otherwise, and I think this represents a lot of people who shouldn't be excluded from competition.

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2012 MX-5 Sport SUV

Dude, you're still pathetic.

I bet your car would like a rear sway bar. throw one on and go run STS w/ Jeb. You can run your CAI there too. ST* are great classes for all the fun/cheap mods people like to do and still keep a street tire budget.

this is what I will likely do if TIR is done away with, but I like TIR, and I have a car that fits it well now, hence why I am arguing against it being done away with.

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2012 MX-5 Sport SUV

If I had been drinking something when I read that, it would have been squirting out my nose for sure!

Oh, IMHO, this thread seems to be on the edge of being locked. Lets continue to keep it friendly.

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Richard Casto
1972 Porsche 914
2013 Honda Fit Sport
2015 Honda Fit EX
http://motorsport.zyyz.com
Money can't buy happiness, but somehow it's more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than a Kia.

Man people are supposed to find this out on thier own.... jesh.. some people.....

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David Teague
2015 Lexus IS 250c
1994 Honda Del Sol HS 39
2009 Dodge Journey R/T
http://teaguefamily.us