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 Post subject: Any left-foot brakers out there?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:59 pm 
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I would like some input on whether or not any of you guys left-foot brake; I don't currently, but believe that if I keep the RPMs up through a turn, I would be able to drive out of the corner quicker. Any advice for "drills" that I can think about when I'm driving for practice?

That being said, would having some resistance (ie slight brake) against the inside front tire of an open-diff car help prevent that wheel from slipping? Just wondering out loud ...

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 4:16 pm 
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I'm going to make the assumption that you're driving a manual transmission car.

"if I keep the RPMs up": your RPMs will be the same whether you're braking with your right or left foot, if the clutch is engaged and your engine is mated to the speed of the car. LFB will definitely have you not clutching, and thus your rpms will be entirely dependant on how fast your wheels are turning.

Now, in my field (rally) there are some that use LFB to keep the *boost* up, and that can make a serious difference. Essentially, you end up using a little extra braking to work against the engine as well as the car. Since the engine is loaded (against the brakes) and your foot is on the gas, your boost level remains high.

Now, if you have a turbo car, you can apply this. It means nothing for a NA car.

"whether or not any of you guys left-foot brake": I do. Practice it a bunch, and when you need to do it, you will.

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I'm learning to lfb this season. It still feels really wierd and I still tend to overbrake. Oddly, it's easy and intuitive for me to lfb on automatic trans cars...

I've found that it's much easier for me to settle the car in transitions. Also, I can make the brake/gas transition much faster and more smoothly than rfb.

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Wes - don't worry about lfb until you feel you're really pushing the car as hard as you can, and something is missing. Just focus on being smooth (but fast!) with "normal" braking/ acceleration and watch your times get faster. Sometimes I can adjust the line I take in a corner if I experience wheelspin coming out the previous run, and get through the tricky part much straighter and much quicker, and without so much spin.


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Among top National autocrossers, some do LFB and some don't. I don't know what the split is, but it's definitely not a "must have" skill to be fast.

IMO, however, LFB does offer some advantages, particularly to drivers of FWD cars:

- The biggest thing, applicable to all drive types, is that you don't have that brief "coasting" period while your right foot is moving from the gas to the brake or vice versa- you can transition instantly. You'd think that would be a really big thing, but aparently it's not... :?

- In a FWD car, dragging the brake makes the car "hunker down" more and is, IMO, more stable in fast corners. Think of how a car squats if you ease the clutch out while holding the e-brake and you get the picture. Compare that to an alternative situation, flying into a fast bend and lifting- the car would rise up on its springs as the rear unweights- very unstable.

- In a FWD car, if you find yourself really sideways, dragging the brake while flooring the gas will straighten the car out faster, and use less real estate, then just flooring it. The engine overpowers the front brakes, effectively applying throttle and rear brake at the same time. Electric trailer brake controllers have a "trailer brake only" function to that uses the same effect to calm a wagging trailer.

- In a turbo car, as Anders mentioned, you can keep boost spooled up by dragging the brake. But there is also an advantage for NA cars- a car will jump forward more quickly to the release of a brake than in response to opening of a throttle plate. My guess is it's because a motor straining with open throttle against a brake is moving more air through it, even though the RPMs may be low. Obviously, this only would apply to the split-second between the brake being released and the engine pressures equalizing.

There are some disadvantages, though:

- The biggest one is once you get into the habit, it's easy to hit the brake for everything, and while that may not necessarily be bad, the odds are good you'll be slowing down too much. Important: Don't listen to those RFBers who tell you, "no wonder you're slow, your brake lights are on all the time". They can't tell how hard you're pressing the brake (you may be just brushing it), and they don't consider that you may also be on the gas at the time.

- If you drag the brake against full throttle (ie. through a section with no pure braking areas), you'll run out of brake boost pretty quickly. It's easy to lose focus when you get a hard pedal.

Now, I may be making it sound like I never lift and just add brake when needed, but that's not true- usually my brake and gas feet are moving in opposite directions. But, it's nice to have a few extra tricks in my bag for when I need them...

Especially if you're relatively new to autocross, I'd really recommend you try taking the time to give your left foot some "sensitivity training" and give LFB a try. Doing LFB on the street is good basic training, but learning threshold braking is a different thing! Make a decision to give it a full season- you won't want to give it that long if you're already good using RFB. Try different combinations of pedal pressures- experiment, find what works for you.

OK, if you're still reading, I'm impressed! :blahblah:

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Left foot brake? You bet! But, not for every braking zone. AND, this is very, very important, you must educate that foot. First time you try it its an on off switch so make sure you have no one behind you and your sesat belt on first time.

Good luck.

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