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If you went to the 2005 NCAC event hosted by Triad Sports Car Club, you know they did an excellent job and the event was a big success. Tarheel Sports Car Club will be hosting the event this year and we are hoping to build on that success. The event this year will again be held at the Greensboro Coliseum on August 19th and 20th. We are currently working on ironing out all the final details, but things should be finalized in the next few weeks. Heyward Wagner has been recruited for course design so we are expecting another fast fun course.

Pre-registration will open for all clubs on Monday, June 26th and can be found here (http://www.thscc.com/autocross/prereg_autox.html ). This will be a two day event and you have to register for each day separately. There will also be no Paypal for this event like there is for normal THSCC events. Currently we don’t plan on putting an entry cap on the event, but we will re-evaluate as the list gets fuller. Sign up early and we look forward to seeing everyone in August!

If you have any questions, please e-mail them to autocross@thscc.com

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Stephen Westerfield
2009 Infiniti M35 | 2007 Honda Fit Sport | 2005 Ford Mustang GT |2000 GMC Sierra |1992 Acura Integra LS | Super Westerfield Bros Acura Integra

I'd just like to point out that I'm still the webmaster (or at least I think I am, lol) for the NCAC website at http://www.soloii.com. It's obviously out of date, but I've not been given much in the way of info to update it. I will try to get what I have soon, but as more arrives someone should send it to me at djb@donniebarnes.com. I have a small site redesign in progress, too, that should be done in a couple weeks (nothing earth shattering, just a little revamp of the layout with a few neat graphics).

The sooner I get complete info, the sooner everyone can just link to that one site rather than posting and reposting the same stuff everywhere.


--Donnie

Stephen,

Who is doing the sponsorship recruiting for NCAC?

Todd

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Todd Breakey
STS 42 - 1992 Sunburst Miata
Dammit!
"You souldn't play leap frog with a porcupine. You might get hurt." - Eliza

Any one else notice the irony in the whole NCAC event? The event is being held at a Triad site (Triad members incur no travel, lodging or dining expenses) and being designed by person who is not a THSCC member. Kind of ironic for the best club in the state?

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Jim Pastorius
2008 Silverado VortecMax
1992 Camaro CMC#92
2002 BMW R1150R

2009 3rd Place CMC Mid-Atlantic Championship
2009 CMC Hyperfest Winner

Its called working together for the greater good of the event. The NCAC since BFG left has been a joke, we are trying to change that.

Thanks for the support

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At least it isn't being hosted by some other club on a site not even *in* the state.

Besides, it's not like Tar Heel has any sites any better than Greensboro as far as travel or dining, really. I know I'm in the minority, but it's the same distance for me to Greensboro or the "closest" THSCC site, Sanford.

As far as Heyward doing the course, well, if that's what the event chairs want, I don't see a problem with it. He usually does pretty good courses.


--Donnie

That would be our Manager of Business Development, Jonathon Rodriguez. If you have any leads....by all means, send them to him. I think we already have a main sponsor secured, but any others would be welcome for sure.

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Stephen Westerfield
2009 Infiniti M35 | 2007 Honda Fit Sport | 2005 Ford Mustang GT |2000 GMC Sierra |1992 Acura Integra LS | Super Westerfield Bros Acura Integra

If y'all want, we could change things at the last minute and have me design a course at Sanford again. Just follow the bouncing ball.

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Wow, you point out the obvious and suddenly you are not "supportive"? You can do better than that. I have missed one NCAC event in the past six years. I remember standing out in meetings and imploring members to attend to get the flavor of a big time event. So don't even give me that "not supportive" line for pointing out the obvious.

And Donnie...c'mon, you hualed a car to Colorado and California for AX events this past month or two. So of course Greensboro versus Raleigh are not big deals to you.

And the Whipple designed NCAC event at Sanford was a very, very, very good one. Any Peterson designed course at Laurinburg has always been stout. Actually, his courses at Laurinburg are the best the club runs.

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Jim Pastorius
2008 Silverado VortecMax
1992 Camaro CMC#92
2002 BMW R1150R

2009 3rd Place CMC Mid-Atlantic Championship
2009 CMC Hyperfest Winner

Hopefully, the one he has isn't a main sponsor. There is a much bigger fish in the pond that has shown interest in this event.

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In need of car.

Come on Jim, your post does sound a wee bit negative. If these things are so obvious, then there is no need to point them out.

I don’t have the time (or energy) right now to get into the various reasons we decided to pursue this approach but let’s just say I’ve written a small novel on the subject which was shared by the various officers of the clubs in the state. The fact that we all worked together to make this thing happen and put aside whatever differences we had I think is a small miracle.

The fact that it event is in Greensboro has a lot to do with the location and facilities. Can anybody think of a more central spot in the state that makes it relatively easy for *everybody* to get to? No? I didn’t think so. Can anybody think of a site in the state that has more amenities and nearby food and lodging than Greensboro (air conditioned bathrooms!!!)? No? I didn’t think so. Can anybody think of a site in the state that has more flexibility in course design and layout? No? I didn’t think so. I could go on…

Does it matter that the Triad guys don’t have to travel very far or not at all? No. Heck, the site is closer than Lauringburg for a lot of *our* members.

Does it matter that somebody who lives out of state is doing the course design? No. Heyward has a *ton* of experience doing national-quality courses which are always fun and lead to very small cone counts or DNF’s. Heyward also happened to live in Greensboro for years and is intimately familiar with the lot at the coliseum having run there locally during that time. If Heyward can’t make it for whatever reason, Jinx Jordan is our backup and he *does* live in the state if that makes anybody feel any better. Is this a slight to anybody in our club and their course design abilities? No. It is simply an attempt to try something different. Another way to look at it is it won’t give any club an advantage as far as being familiar with a local designer’s courses.

There are details about the event that we haven’t announced yet that should be pretty cool. Everybody needs to put on their big-girl panties and wait to see how it turns out. I think it will be awesome. But, hey, I’m crazy like that…

Jim

Actually, Raleigh would be further than Greensboro for me. But we don't even have a Raleigh site. Greensboro and Sanford are almost exactly the same distance for me. All I'm saying is Greensboro is closer than all the TH sites other than Sanford, and it isn't much further for *most* TH members than Sanford would be. Certainly not enough that most won't be able to stay at home the night in between if they choose.



I doubt anyone would debate any of that. I never said Greensboro was ideal, just that I don't see a problem with Tar Heel doing an event in Greensboro, nor with Heyward designing the course (particularly for the NCAC). You can have the opinion that we have better sites for one reason or another, but there are definitely pros to the site that was chosen as Feinberg has pointed out. Most importantly, someone *is* doing that work. I'm quite certain that if you'd like to volunteer to be on the committee they'd make room for you for future events. While I'm sure you're "supportive" of the event, I also think your post sounded somewhat critical of two key issues. My opinion is there is nothing wrong with the choices the leadership has made.

As usual, sounds like folks are getting worked up on both sides, though. Me, I'm not. JimP has a right to his opinion that it should have been done differently. I do admit that an NCAC at Laurinburg would have been really cool, but I've spent enough time in the hot sun at events that the lure of air conditioned bathrooms at an event is quite attractive. But Laurinburg isn't a very central location, and isn't attractive at all to sponsors nor likely to draw from the best the state has to offer. It'll get a lot of TH members, but not a lot past that, I'm afraid. I think the best bet for building this thing back into something "special" is to do exactly what they are doing.

For the record, my out of state excursions thus far are:

Ft. Myers, FL
Walnut Ridge, AR (twice)
Atwater, California
Mineral Wells, TX
Peru, IN
Kershaw, SC (road racing)

Still to go:

Topeka, KS (twice)
Denver, CO

I think that might be all.


--Donnie

Boy, Donnie, you have your work cut out for you. If ever there was a website that need a "refreshening", the NCAC site may win the prize.
It includes reviews of 2001 events, but doesn't even have last year's results.

We would probably get more interest in the NCAC event if we could figure out how to keep the website relevant. It would be nice if there was a forum, where we could get a little good-natured inter-club smack-talking before the big event.

Hopefully there will be another dog show. It was fun to see all the dogs and the AC was cranking in there.

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No, you're a towel!

Due to a server crash over at Triad, I "think" the '05 results are gone.

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