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The problem is not with people showing up to work. The problem is the WC's sending people out 30-45 minutes before they are suppose to. They are penalizing the people who do show up on time and rewarding those that do not. Pretty simple.

If you make the worker call 10 minutes before line B completes, the same people who show up on time are going to show up. Those that are going to be late, are still going to be late with all of their excuses.

If a major excuse is that they just got done driving, maybe Brice's wheel will help better explain the one-off THSCC grid. I have yet to hear an explanation in the driver's meeting that clearly articulates how it all works.

If the run order is source of worker's being late or missing their work assignment, we could resort to additional grid worker to make sure the people in line A match the worker sheet, etc.

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Jim Pastorius
2008 Silverado VortecMax
1992 Camaro CMC#92
2002 BMW R1150R

2009 3rd Place CMC Mid-Atlantic Championship
2009 CMC Hyperfest Winner

the fixed run group listing was right next to the worker sign up sheets you probably put your hand on them when you signed up for your work station

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2004 C5(415whp,390ft/lbs),
1997C5,1997Trans Am, 1986 C4,
1990 Miata, 1976 MGB,1997 Protege, 1989 MR2

I'm not really sure where this topic stands... I don't care to read through the seemingly hostile arguments.
But, I would like a better way of knowing if Grid B is running.
I like Mike's Idea of flags, but why not just one Flag, a Blue one... for grid B, Blue... logical.
That way those people considerate enough to show up on time know what's going on. Those at worker stations know approximately how much longer they have before they are relieved... I think I was on relieved early, not knowing which grid was running.
Just my $.02

Not in this thread, it wasn't. That was never mentioned here, only in the other thread. I read them from the "new posts" page, in order updated, oldest first, so I saw only what was mentioned here. No-one mentioned that other thread here, so I took this one to be in isolation. I only addressed the topic of this thread, not the topic of the thread I hadn't read yet. This one talked only about people not showing up on time because they didn't know which group was running.

Posting the run groups on the side of the bus? Good idea. That'll help novices and visitors alike. Almost painless to implement, requires no updating during the day, and it might indeed help.

If it didn't sound like a technical nightmare, we could have a flagpole by the bus and put up a big orange flag when B starts their last run. Flag's up, time to go work. But I have no idea how to make that work in practical terms, especially with the winds we seem to get at these airports.

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Martyn Wheeler
AXing Kit's '05 Mazda 3, #29 HStock
(when The Gonzo Symphonic allows)

the very table I was told to stay away from unless reporting for a workers assignment during the drivers meeting?

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2012 MX-5 Sport SUV

No, you can go to that table. Just stay out of the bus where T&S is sitting.

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In need of car.

i would glance at a heat/group wheel instead of searching out the grid worker, deciding which side he's on, where he's pulling from, and finding a few car's to see what class is running for the same reason i glance at my watch instead of looking at the sun height and shadow length.

gotcha, my bad, I misunderstood.

(readying for the "nobody listens at driver meetings" rants)

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2012 MX-5 Sport SUV

Brice,
Last year, I was a novice and I too thought the heat/grid system was somewhat confusing.

Questions:
1 - So, the board would be used to communicate the current Heat and Grid. Where do you envision it being located? (at the bus and people would walk up to see it, in the pit area so that it might be more easily seen by people, etc)

2 - When did you report to the WC? (did you run early in the A grid and report to the WC while the A grid was still working or was the B grid running) I realize the answer to this may be "I don't know" and that's fine.


Comment:
1 - Don't let replies on the forums upset you. You can make a post like "I think THSCC is a great club!" Some will respond with thanks and some will call you a brown-noser! Unfortunately, that's the nature of posting to forums. My recommendation is to stay focused on your message and don't reply or take jabs back at anyone that has upset you.

2 - If you are unsure about how something at the event runs, ask someone. I even recommend asking multiple people to make sure you get the same answer. You can always ask the Novice coordinators, your mentor (if you elected to have one), or the Autox VPs (they get introduced at the drivers mtg). You can ask me any questions that you have. I drive the Black M3 (BSP 16) with the Wolfpack magnets on each side. I promise that I don't bite!

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Rob Harvey
919-697-5485
1997 BMW M3
1992 Acura Integra (Simon)

Brice, try not to get too offended by what's happened today. For whatever reason, things get taken very personally around here and anyone that suggests changes are looked down upon. Be patient and maybe people will realize that you're offering to lend a helping hand and tak you up on that offer.

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In need of car.

A number of years back at a RBC event, I created such a wheel. Yes, I did borrow the idea from Triad, with their blessing. I never did like the A/B 4 group order. So we ran the 4 groups and all runs at once...event chair purgative

Don't worry those who are afraid of change...we will run the traditional format at Greenville.

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Jim Pastorius
2008 Silverado VortecMax
1992 Camaro CMC#92
2002 BMW R1150R

2009 3rd Place CMC Mid-Atlantic Championship
2009 CMC Hyperfest Winner

1- this board is actually likely to be revised to simply a poster that is an exact copy of the sheet that was apparently at the worker signup table, but more visible. It will simply list the fixed run groups in a very visible format, since this will require no maintenance by the bus personel. I would think it should just be hung/stand near the side of the bus, much like the cone rule poster, a sort of quick reference for novices.

2- I reported to the WC directly after my 3rd run. I was in grid A. I am not confused by things, this is not the first tarheel event I've been to, so I knew where to be and when, I just wanted to do him a favor and report early. I believe the A grid was still running, but I'm not 100% sure. I do know that I watch 3 different batches of cars take 3 runs a piece though. I tried to tell him that I would be on the grass nearby when heat 4 started, to which I was told "he's reporting to station 2 (where I was supposed to work), just follow him." (someone else had this same plight too, he just wasn't worried about it. All 3 of us (me, my wife, and the other guy, I really can't remember his name, but he drove the lime green X CRX) were out there for about 1:45 at which point I sent my wife back to our tent, since the last grid of cars was just starting at that point. We (me and the other guy) were out there for almost 2.5 hours in total.

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2012 MX-5 Sport SUV

I have been here long enought to know how it works and occasionally I still have to stop and think for a second. I personally don't see a problem with having something to indicated what heat and group is running. Problem is finding something that is easy to maintain (have the right info on it) and not cause additional headaches to those that run the event.

Sometimes I wonder if we should just have a school on how to attend an autocross (semi kidding here). Things like...

Basic car classification
How to be a good station worker <= a day in itself
Cone rules and all of the odd situations
How to get your car teched
How to resolve an illegal car in your class
How and event is run
How registration works
How T&S works

There are probably other good topics, but I just got tired of thinking of them.

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Richard Casto
1972 Porsche 914
2013 Honda Fit Sport
2015 Honda Fit EX
http://motorsport.zyyz.com
Money can't buy happiness, but somehow it's more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than a Kia.

The reason why Triad has the wheel in the first place is because they change the run/work order by class at every event. And they have four total run groups. So if you were HS and ran in group one in the first event, it might be group three the next, group two the next, ad nauseum.

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Has no responsibility whatsoever.

Dude, I'm on your side here, just trying to add some levity to this thread. I thinks you are getting hit a bit hard for making a suggestions (and as Vincent said, actually offering a suggestion not just a bitch).

What Bernie and Wes say is correct, the problem is that people don't listen at drivers meetings and/or come up with excuses why they didn't report. Usually they are due to the fact they didn't listen at the drivers meeting, so they ran in the wrong run groups. Even I when I was a lowly novice actually went out to worker's station early because I came when I was called. I learned to wait and watch the cars in grid and report when the B line started down its last time. I went out a bit early at Danville too and OMG!!!! I worked through a whole line and one-half of the earlier run group Hey it wasn't too hot and we got relieved early. Sometimes you win, sometimes you........

We can use a wheel, a square, a megaphone, a flag, whips, DQs, and other penalties/notifications to encourage workers to work and there will always be a few that abuse the system. If the wheel helps novices like you who are trying to be diligent, then lets see if it works.

I like the idea of switching around the run groups so that our std group 2 sometimes runs 1 and 3 and the group 1 runs 2 and 4. That would help even out the worker assignments.

Hey, I just read one of your posts and you must have relieved me cause the guy with the CRX was saying that he got to work here because he had knocked over a bunch of cones and DNF'd.

I will probably be at Sanford, I'll try to make a point to come see you. It is amazing how different we are in person.

Rob trying to learn how to turn off the sarcasm button in his head