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I've been told a variety of things on this topic, and not gotten a straight answer. A FACTORY installed JCW Mini Cooper S ('06+, b/c it wasn't a factory option until this year) runs in B-stock, according to SCCA's website. However, non-factory JCW cars have to run in ASP, or at least are listed there (and thats where the JCW mini was always listed until '06 when it became a factory option). My wife is running different wheels than stock (same size, different offset by 8 mm), so unfortunately, until we put some new tires on her stock wheels, she'll have to run in a street prepared class then, at least thats my understanding. My question is this, does she get to run in BSP then b/c her car is a factory JCW, or will she get bumped to ASP? It would seem unfair to bump her car not only up to street prepared (which is fair) but also to A for just a new set of wheels.

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On street tires, I'd enter in STX. If you want to run race tires, then it is in DSP, per the April FasTrack.

Scott

Brice... Craig Wilcox brought up a big thread on this on SCCAForums. The car is actually DSP legal, for any Mini S could swap the option package from and '06 Works. It could be a potent DSP car, but has yet to take control of the BMW's. - AB

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In the 2006 rules it shows JCW cars in ASP without any mention of year models. I did not see a Mini listed in BSP. Was this a change in Fast track?

For the slight difference in offset on the wheels I would run in stock unless you are going to run at the national level. Around here I would not expect to be protested unless you are kicking some serious butt. There is some more rule stretching going around here than that. *cough* cheeters *cough*

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George Bright Member # 141
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here's where I got that it is in B-stock. . .

http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/Lists/2006/stockm.html

but I didn't even think about the options of running in DSP, why would they have it listed specifically as ASP if you could run it in DSP though as well? Since this is a factory JCW car though, it doesn't really qualify as a car that has been upfitted does it? The JCW package is more than just a bigger pulley, exhaust and intake, it has a different cylinder head. Realistically, this is gonna be her first autocross on the 30th, so I think we're just gonna run her in B-stock if nobody here has a problem with it, or maybe STX, but I don't think anyone here is in danger of having their trophy snatched away. It just struck me as such an odd question, so in summary, I could run in the following classes for her

B-stock (bending the rules of wheel offset a tad)
ASP
BSP
DSP (if we say it was "upfitted" with the JCW package but used to be a regular S)?
STX

anyplace else we could put her, if nothing else, this is truly the most confusing classification problem I've ever heard of.

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The rules are not located at Moutons.org (a nice resource, but not the rules). The rules are located at http://www.scca.org.

There is a 2006 version of the rulebook. Any amendments to that are listed monthly in the "FasTrack" publication. The April 2006 FasTrack specifically lists the JCW package in DSP.

The 2006 Cooper-S JCW package is listed in DSP on the SAME line as the regular Cooper S. The listing in ASP does NOT include the '06 models. As a loophole, you can run a pre-'06 model in either ASP or DSP (until it is removed from ASP in '07).

So, that leaves BS, STX, DSP (and mod classes from there). There isn't any ambiguiity.

IMHO = wheels not legal for stock means run in STX. It isn't a matter of trophies. If the wheels have too much negative offset by 8mm, then get spacers and run stock class (against Mike W....).

Scott

Brice - I don't have a problem with your wheels having 1.65mm too little offset. Feel free to bring it to BS

(PS, as you are probably aware, rules allow 1/4" difference from stock = 6.35mm)

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I say run STX. That car will be very competitive there, but feel free to try out the different classes. BS will be very tough for the Mini to run in and stay competitive.

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What year is your wife's Mini?

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Jim Pastorius
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I may have mis-read the first post. Is your car an '06 JCW or earlier? As far as I know, the ones made before '06 are still NOT eligible for stock class.

If your's is the dealer installed JCW package, then you can only run STX, DSP (or ASP), and other mod classes. In this case, it isn't as unambiguous as I previously stated.

Sorry for my confusion.

Scott

it is indeed a 2006 FACTORY JCW, not dealer installed, so it IS eligible for stock class other than the wheels. Its not a question of spacers, the stock wheels are +50, the new ones are +42, they'd have to be machined to comply with the rules, and considering they only weigh 14.3 lbs (for a 17x7 wheel!) already, I think removing any material from them is out of the question.

Realistically, its all moot, being competitive isn't the goal at first more than it is just getting comfortable with the car and autocross in general (this will be her first autocross driving), but it does present an interesting question. As far as my source, I don't know who moutons is either, I just searched for "SCCA Solo II stock class" and that was the first page that came up, it seemed to have relatively recent information (made the distinction between '06 JCW's and pre '06). We will probably choose the class she runs in based on the number of entrants in each class in the future, but for her first, we will run her in Novice, and put her in STX just so she gets the lower PAX number (correct me if I'm wrong, but BS PAX=.822, DSP PAX=.829, and STX PAX=.804?). Thanks so much for all your help on this guys, sorry if its been brought up before. We look forward to seeing you at the Autocross on the 30th! You obviously know what she will be driving, I'll be doing my damndest to keep up in my 3!

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I'm sure Mike wouldn't mind the competition after only beating me by 'a hair' at Laurinburg

and you promised no more than 12 seconds!

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Though you still need to figure out the car class, another option not yet mentioned for your wife to run is Ladies class. Some ladies chose to run it, some don't, but I think more do than not. It's a PAX class much like NOV or TIR, but allows a slightly "different" venue for your wife to play should she so chose.

Of course, Chick School's coming up too.....

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Dustin Fredrickson
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I know nobody is interested in this but me, but I just figured out my wife's car should be just fine for B-Stock, even with its wheels. The available R90 accessory wheels that are available on it have an offset of 48 mm, so that would mean that her 42 mm offset wheels are within .25" of an available stock spec wheel. Is that a true and reasonable way of looking at the rules?

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Technically speaking, the stock wheels are have an offset of 50mm. The Accessory wheels don't matter, because the accessory wheel is a dealer/port option, not a factory option.

Regardless, I don't care if you run the car in B-Stock. - AB

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