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 Post subject: Who's playing in G Stock next year?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:02 pm 
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Looks like that's where I'm heading.

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Sally and I could be talked out of X class if folks really want us to come play.

No changes to the car, maybe not even any new tires...

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If you ignore the springs and swaybars on the benz, I'll come and play :)

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:52 pm 
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scottjohnson wrote:
Sally and I could be talked out of X class if folks really want us to come play.

No changes to the car, maybe not even any new tires...

Scott


If by play you mean tag where I'm it and have to chase you and Sally all season: Sure! I just hope I can make it interesting enough. You might be bored if it's just the three of us though.

I think I might step up and take a hit off the R comp crack pipe this season. I think I'm going to be able to actually hit enough events that I'm going to consider the pass this year.

[Pat: If it would get you to an event, I wouldn't care. :P ]

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 Post subject: Maybe...
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My car is GS, but I have four classes to choose from: GS, LAD, TIR, or NOV. I plan to avoid Ladies' indefinitely because the competition is just too good. You never really know what will happen in Novice, but there always seem to be one or two great drivers who blow away everyone else. GS seemed to have at least one super-fast driver last year, too. So, from all of last year's results, it looks like I might have the best chance in Street Tire. Any opinions or advice? ...Other than "please run GS so we can beat you", that is. :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:48 pm 
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Kathleen, TIR would be NOV without the spotlight on Newbie status. run a GS pax in TIR. but it would be a shame to miss out on the NOV mentor program, especially considering the coordinators that will be running the program next season. they whipped my butt all season.

and as far as LAD goes you should probably talk to Gwen, i think she might try to change your opinion regarding running with them. once you go there you can never come back. 8) Gwen kicked my butt all season also. my DSP pax should give you some advantage in TIR this coming season.

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I agree with Steve, Kathleen. The novice program really helps you get started and also allows you to compare yourself with those who you will have to run against in the open classes. Plus you get the school at the begining of the year which really is the way to start autoxing with this club.
There are alot of HOT SHOES in this club, and my guess is that Novice will the best place to get competition. Even if the new novice class has a Rob or a PJ, there are always lots of novices so trophys are usually given to five or six places. Most open classes don't have that large an entry so they only give a few trophys, if thats what's motivating your decision. I enjoyed novice last year and so did Gwen( my wife), actually I believe she's more addicted to autox than I am.

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Kathy,
Stay tuned. We have a few changes planned for the novice class next season that will prevent one or two people from dominating the class for the year.

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 Post subject: THANKS!
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Thanks for all the info, guys! It looks like I will stay in Novice next season. I didn't realize that I wouldn't be allowed to attend the school if I didn't stay officially in the Novice class.

I figure I'll need Autocross tires to be competitive in Novice... any suggestions? What's a good compromise between performance and price?

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There will be qualifications to get into the novice school (no more than X number events.....I'm not in charge of it, so I don't know what that number will be), but as long you meet that requirement, you can go to the school. There is nothing that says you have to run in novice class after that.

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 Post subject: Re: THANKS!
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KathleenIde wrote:

I figure I'll need Autocross tires to be competitive in Novice... any suggestions? What's a good compromise between performance and price?


call Mark @ Hubcap Heaven. ideally street tires you drive to and from the event on will limit your aggravation factor. but i have a trailer queen so i don't deal with that issue. 8)


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Hi Kit,

I really advise against using R-compound tires for your first year or 2 of autocross. What you need to learn to drive your best is how the car feels at the limit of grip, what it can and can't do, and how to react when you feel the car start to slide. "Regular" street tires are good for this, since they are very "linear" when they start to lose grip, making it easier to feel, and giving you more time to react to correct the slide. R-compound tires tend to give great grip right up to the limit, then it falls off rapidly, giving you less time to sense and act. They also respond to steering inputs much more quickly, so you can easily make too large a motion, then over-correct, making your learning experience more frustrating.

I hope you will be able to give yourself at least a year to just learn the various skills you will need, and not focus on being competitive right away. Almost no one is fast within a few events, and if you come into this sport with the expectation that you will be, the odds are very good that you will have a bad experience and not be back.

We are all a nice bunch of folks, who love to drive and have fun. Come join us in doing that, and let the learning/improving come at its own pace!

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Of the people running GS who would be running R comps?

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 Post subject: lots to consider
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:51 pm 
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Carl Fisher wrote:
I hope you will be able to give yourself at least a year to just learn the various skills you will need, and not focus on being competitive right away.

Perhaps that's why it's so rare for there to be a Novice trophy available...

When I try to decide whether or not to focus on competition in my first year, the main question is: I only get one chance at the Novice trophy - will it be the best chance I ever get to win any trophy?

I might or might not ever achieve enough skill to run with the leaders, and I might or might not improve faster than average. If I improve faster than average, but never get really good, Novice might be the best, and last, chance I ever have. However, even if that's the case, my chances could be blown if there's someone in Novice this year who has more experience with other sorts of fast driving than I do and/or a car that's better within its PAX class than mine. There's nothing I can do about someone with more experience, but there are things I could do to improve my car within its PAX class - starting with putting on Autocross tires.

That's where my analysis ended previously. Now I need to take into account your point, Carl, that if I focus too much on winning the Novice trophy it could interfere with my ultimately achieving enough skill to win other trophies later. It does seem important to keep gaining skill in general as my top priority.

The main thing still making me hesitate to "give up" on the Novice trophy is that I already know I have the tendency to improve quickly when gaining a new skill. I've been told many times in many activities that I get better amazingly fast. My experience in Autocross so far seems to follow that trend, as far as I can tell: after two events with 14 runs, I ended with a PAX time 9.1 seconds from 1st, 4.7 seconds from the 1st Novice. (Although, the learning curve is too steep at the start to really know if that means anything yet.)

Also, I'm reasonably confident that I won't get discouraged too easily; I certainly won't give up on Autocross just because I don't start winning immediately. At least I'm thinking realistically: I don't expect to win Novice, no matter how hard I try. I have good reasons to expect that I'll get better faster than most people, starting from the same point in the same amount of time, but that's not enough to win - there are too many other factors involved. So don't worry, I honestly don't think disappointment will drive me away (at least not for many years).

Overall, it sounds like I need to take advantage of the Novice help as much as possible, remember to pay more attention to learning than to winning, and find out whether the less-linear behavior of R-compound tires is or isn't going to give me trouble.

Hmm... it seems like spinning out once, or twice at most, would give me an indication of the limits of my tires - after which I'd have 2-5 more runs to make one fast time. But that's assuming I don't waste other runs on things like being too cautious or picking the wrong line. Also, if I change tires for next season, I'll be throwing away the experience I gained at my first two events - I do feel as though I picked up some skill at moving the rear end around by letting it skid... :wink: Still, a lot of people change tires between seasons - that's what T&T is for. I wonder if I should try to borrow a car with R-compound tires before the first points event, or if one drive (particularly when it's cold) wouldn't tell me enough to make a difference.

(Sorry for rambling on.)

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:51 pm 
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Heh, I have 1st place Novice wood that I won using Firestone all season radials. At this level, Robert Duvall's quote in Days of Thunder, "Tires is what wins races" is wrong.

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