Region only mod allowance: CDV delete

DanDurusky · **Joined:** Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:31 pm **Posts:** 686

I asked about classing w/ the CDV (Clutch Delay Valve) delete on scca.com boards and i was told to email the SEB. So i did. The reply:

Quote:

Hi, Dan,

There is not an allowance to make any changes to the clutch actuating
mechanism in Stock, Street Touring, or Street Prepared categories. So
I'd say the "1st" category you come to that would allow removal of a
clutch delay valve is Street Modified (SM).

For Regional (local) SCCA Solo events, the host SCCA Region can allow
cars to remove the clutch delay valve in any category, including Stock.
This would be a Region-only allowance and would not apply to another
Region's events or Divisional or National Solo events.

I was fortunate to drive the BMW 330Ci of 2003 DS National Champion
Kevin Youngers at a ProSolo event in California. I was cautioned about
the clutch delay valve when shifting into 2nd gear, so I'd have to say
that Kevin didn't think it would be compliant to remove the valve from
his car.

Hope this helps.

- Doug

Doug Gill
SCCA Solo Technical Manager
P O Box 19400
Topeka, KS 66619-0400
1-800-770-2055

So. Mayyyybe we can make this an authorized THSCC mod for ST* and/or *SP?

To be honest id probably run BSP if it was approved because SM is just silly imho, but if i could get some support for it id really like to run STU. And keep in mind i'm being upfront and honest w/ this. i could easily have not told anyone. (which is the advice on all the BMW boards)

And to recap. the Clutch Delay Valve is simply a small 'valve' that is just a really skinny tunnel (smaller than the clutch hardlines) that reduces fluid flow to reduce drivetrain shock. I don't see it as a performance mod or good for anything really autoxwise. I just like it out because its smoother for daily driving.

All in favor?

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:28 pm

Cue the rules Nazis... :roll:

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:33 pm

Vincent Keene wrote:

Cue the rules Nazis... :roll:

We haven't had one of these threads in awhile. :lol:

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:34 pm

Richard Casto wrote:

Vincent Keene wrote:

Cue the rules Nazis... :roll:

We haven't had one of these threads in awhile. :lol:

Diane are you sleeping? Wake up! This thread is for you.

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:37 pm

DanDurusky wrote:

I don't see it as a performance mod or good for anything really autoxwise. I just like it out because its smoother for daily driving.

Ok, I will be the first....

I have zero clue as to what this is. But if you say it makes things "smoother" for daily driving (easier to shift?) Someone is going to make a case that this is a performance enhancement. However small it may be.

Who gets to be the first (mine does not count) to use the phase "weenie protest"?

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:39 pm

First, THSCC is not a part of the SCCA. I think you would need to become a SCCA member and propose the change to the central region of the SCCA. Then you can come back to any club in the NC central region (55) that runs SCCA classes and be able to legally compete outside of SM.

How about getting all the BMW people to write letters to the SCCA asking for this allowance? But it looks like it is not that big of deal to actual racers or it would have been proposed.

I guess someone has to read the bylaws of THSCC to see how this change could be adopted. But as we follow the SCCA classing and rulebook, I am not sure there is a way to do it.

The other option is learn to drive with it :wink:

Ever notice how the modification someone wants to make is never perfomance enhancing?

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:43 pm

I'll chime in. Yes, I am a rule Nazi. Probably because over the years I've spent thousands of dollars keeping my car legal to the letter of the rules. No exceptions. Anyone running at the National level with the club probably has done the same thing.

As for club level agreements, I really don't care too much. The way I look at it, anytime you beat someone in a class and the car isn't legal it's an empty win.

Yes, removing the valve is a performance enhancement. I've driven cars with and without it and it does engage the clutch much quicker and smoother. In BS, it's the first thing people look at with M3's as well as eccentric bushings in the front control arms.

It really comes down to your competitors and how you'll feel about it. - AB

DanDurusky · **Joined:** Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:31 pm **Posts:** 686

i don't know how this works. can i email Scott and have him wave his magic wand? is there a democratic process?

Michael Westerfield · **Posted:** Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:45 pm

So here is a dumb question....

Would it be legal if the CDV was in place but broken?

Rich Anderson · **Posted:** Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:45 pm

Be a man and just run E-Mod. Then you will never have to worry if a modification is legal again.

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:46 pm

DanDurusky wrote:

i don't know how this works. can i email Scott and have him wave his magic wand? is there a democratic process?

Scott will only be President for another 5 days. I don't see this as a Presidential decision. It comes down to your competitors really. - AB

Michael Westerfield · **Posted:** Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:47 pm

Aaron Buckley wrote:

DanDurusky wrote:

i don't know how this works. can i email Scott and have him wave his magic wand? is there a democratic process?

Scott will only be President for another 5 days. I don't see this as a Presidential decision. It comes down to your competitors really. - AB

It seems this topic has come up before and the problem comes down to were to draw the line. The best thing to do would probably be to ask those in the class you wish to run in if they have a problem with it.

DanDurusky · **Joined:** Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:31 pm **Posts:** 686

yeh. thats thing i guess. i dont think is a big deal, its not national or pro or anything of rediculous importance to me. its just "us" having fun

BUT i realize what think doesnt matter to anyone else so thats why i'm trying to do this the 'right' way. if you guys say, OK, then great i'm happy. if not then, i guess i'll have to put it back, but i'll be grumpy and give everybody dirty looks

if this was serious national competition then OF COURSE it matters and of course thered be no allowances.. but i guess i'm not THAT seriousl BUT its everyone who participate's right to be that serious and its their right to have competition that is playing fair.

edited because i worded that badly

MikeWhitney · **Joined:** Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:15 pm **Posts:** 4724

Well I have been president and VP for 4 years in this club so I feel entitled to share my opinion:

No.

We have *never* made a rule exemption and frankly I hope we never do. How to deal with minor rule infractions has always been the responsibility of the entrant and his competitors.

Stick around for a while and you'll understand why the rules are good.

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:50 pm

DanDurusky wrote:

if this was serious national competition then OF COURSE it matters and of course thered be no allowances.. but i just dont see this as that.

What may seem insignificant to you may not be to others. A lot of people put a lot of stock in their personal performance at THSCC events. In 2000, it was all the racing I had, so I took it pretty serious. After that, I started doing the National stuff and really don't care about how I finish, although I like to drive well.

- AB

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