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At least one time this weekend I pulled a car out of the start line that did not have any class info on it. I agree that we need to be doing this in the grid before it becomes an issue with T&S.

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Makes Sense like I said I just didn't know why I just knew that it was being done, however do we need to do it for all 4 heats? I defintaly think it is a good but it was mention that some of the grid workers did not bother in the afternoon becuase they were to busy.

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David Teague
2015 Lexus IS 250c
1994 Honda Del Sol HS 39
2009 Dodge Journey R/T
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I alerted T&S when I noticed that there were two novices with the same # on the sheets. I also told a person with paper #s that their class had blown off on one side. They said they'd stop when they picked up their loaner helmet and get another one, of course I had no way of knowing if they remembered or not when they got there.

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SPIN or WIN!
there's no glory for going slow.

It is necessary in the afternoon heats also simply because of 2 driver cars (or in my case lately, 3 or 4 driver cars.) It is VERY easy to simply forget to switch from STT to NOV or from 42 to 142. A proper grid audit catches this.

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Todd Breakey
STS 42 - 1992 Sunburst Miata
Dammit!
"You souldn't play leap frog with a porcupine. You might get hurt." - Eliza

Sorry, but this is outside the responsibility of the grid worker IMO. I see a car with a proper class and # on it I check it off and send it out. I don't know nor should I be expected to know if it's the right # and class for the person sitting in the drivers seat. If you have more than one driver, make it one person's responsibility to change #s, if the grid person should happen to catch the error if you don't do it, thank him/her for helping out, but don't expect it or make them responsible for it.

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there's no glory for going slow.

Ohhh, im not questioning its effectiveness, Im questioning grid workers sending cars anyway. Stuff happens, but I would like to see less of it.

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02 Focus SVT
STF 9

I'm not trying to be an ass about this, just get some clarity as to workers and competitor's responsibilities. Why is it the grid worker's responsibility to assure that each car has the proper ID on it? Isn't that the competitor's responsibility? Why can't the ID rules be printed on the back of the course maps and handed out at the gate, or if they must be spoon fed make it a requirement that the ID be on the car before a tech sticker is given? Since we allow paper markings and there seems to never be enough tape, and even magnets can fly off when and where do we draw the line? Not to pick on anyone, but I allowed a certain White with red and blue trim Miata to run when their class erroniously read C_P. Should I have sent them back to the paddock to find an S? You may need to put two people in grid if you expect a grid worker to circle each car to verify they have all their markings in place on both sides before sending them to the start for every run. Sh## happens sometimes.

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there's no glory for going slow.

Chuck, no offense man, but you just don't get it.

Unless you care to understand the reality of how to run a smooth event, I don't think you should do grid any more.

Catch me at the next event and I'll try to change your mind about what you said.

I'm all for personal responsibility and everything, but when mistakes DO screw up our event and WILL make T&S suffer, and we CAN do something about it, we WILL do something about it.

And that responsibility falls on you, Mr. Grid worker. You WILL ask the person with the helmet on in the driver's seat if he is who his car says he is. EVERY time. Want to whine about it? No problem, go work the course. There are plenty of people who can, will, and are able.

It's not much extra effort to an already fairly easy job. And it's a proven thing with helping make the events run easier. So deal with it!

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Mike Whitney
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V10, V8, V8t, I6, I6, V6, F4t, I4, I4, I4, I4, I2, 1, 1

Just to clarify for anyone else who works grid -- Do NOT let a car out of grid with anything but 100% correct car class and numbers!!!! PERIOD! Make them fix it before they get to the start line! Don't sit there and wait for them. Skip the car. Go to the next one. Tell them that once they have good correct readable numbers they can go. You don't need to go back and verify that they corrected the problem. People will take care of problems when they are pointed out to them.

The first grid worker of the day should tote the paper numbers and a few rolls of tape to grid and tell people to fix the numbers when they find problems. We did this at a few events last year and it worked like a champ.

Don't mess with Timing and Scoring. Seriously...

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Mike Whitney
whit32@gmail.com, 919-454-5445
V10, V8, V8t, I6, I6, V6, F4t, I4, I4, I4, I4, I2, 1, 1

I've got to agree with Mike on the grid situation. As a grid worker earlier in the year, it was super easy to just ask the name of the person in the car who I was about to send and check them off. Of course, at the same time, I could quickly peek at their #'s and class to make sure everything was in order.

As an added bonus, I met a few new people and was able to put faces to names I've been seeing for a while. If it helps the T&S crew at all, it should be a no-brainer.

Jim

I've had plenty of grid workers ask me if I really was Tonya Mauldin while I was in grid. I do believe it is the grid workers responsibility and obviously we do have people in the club that are willing to do this job correctly.

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Chuck, If you wanna call me out, call me out. I have no problem with that. Your recollection is 100% correct.

You did indeed let me out of grid with numbers that did not contrast and C_P on one side. However, I pulled up to the bus and made a "S" with painters tape and filled in my magnets with painters tape so they would contrast.

I solved my issue before it became a problem w/T&S. This is something I should have taken care of BEFORE the event, but I dropped the ball there. I was busy with other things before the event. My new numbers will be here before L'burg.

The problem rears its head with people who dont realize how big a problem being mis-numbered is. In a perfect world, every bit of information handed out at an event would be read and followed by every competitor, but that just does not and will not ever happen. Hell most dont even read the pre-event emails sent out or anything on the pre-registration page.

While I agree with you in "theory", real life kicks theory square in the ass on this one, unfortunately we must spoon feed some adults to make events run smooth.

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STF 9

Wow I think you guys are being a little unfair to Chuck, He was not saying he could not do nor would not do it, and he was answering to Todd, which in that chase he is correct, In my opinion, if you are in a 2 or more driver car, and you cannot remember to switch numbers, you should not be doing 2 driver cars.

It is defintaly the Grid workers responsibilty to make sure that cars are number correctly, and I even see the good in having the sheet for the first 2 heats to make sure that the numbers on the car match the number in the system, I just don't see the point in doing this in the afternoon, everyone should have been through grid once and thier numbers are checked in the morning, also just for everyone's info I have chaired events and worked timing and scoring in the past.

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David Teague
2015 Lexus IS 250c
1994 Honda Del Sol HS 39
2009 Dodge Journey R/T
http://teaguefamily.us

So its not too much work in the morning but it is too much work in the afternoon? Huh?

To go back to Chuck's comments, sh*t happens. Numbers can blow off, magnets can fall off, and once again with 2 car drivers they can still forget to swap info when they switch drivers.

Because they have "been through" it in the morning and should be ok comment really doesn't hold much water. If that is the logic, then only novices should be checked at all, as all the other drivers have been to events before and "been through" it all at before.

Its not that much to do , morning or afternoon, and if it makes the day go smoother and quicker its worth it anyway.

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I never said it as too much it just seems like a duplicate of effort to do it in the morning and the after noon. I did have a grid work tell me though if it gets to busy/behind they just start sending cars without referencing the sheet.



A grid worker should know what correct numbering looks like with out referring to a print out of registration, and once again if you are in a 2 driver car and forget to switch numbers unless the grid worker ask your name, they may not catch that your car is not number correctly.



Personally I think we should only check the novices, everyone else should know if they are not novices, how to number the car correctly and register correctly, however I do see a need since we do have non-members who might not know our numbering scheme and such.



I don't disagree with this either, however I don't see a need to double work either, but of course if everyone disagrees with me that’s fine I have always thought that discussing things like this is a good thing as could improve what we are doing.

When I work NASA, we do not check number as thoroughly as we do at a thscc auto-x. Of course having transponders makes it easier, however if we do not know who you are and can't read your numbers, generally you will not get timed until you correct that, leaving the onus on the competitors to have the correct numbering.

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David Teague
2015 Lexus IS 250c
1994 Honda Del Sol HS 39
2009 Dodge Journey R/T
http://teaguefamily.us