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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:34 pm 
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I hate working the course at autox and I must tell you about it, often.

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Aaron Buckley wrote:

I rated the KD low because it's too temperature sensitive. They like heat, but not too much heat. They are terrible when it's cool out (sub 70 degrees ambient temperature) and fall off horribly with too much heat. The compound is too hard for good wet weather traction, even though the pattern suggests they'd be good in the wet. The KD-W is great in the rain, but horrible in the dry. Price really isn't a factor for me, but the KD is outrageously priced. I wasn't impressed with the KD's on Jack's GS as compared to any Azenis or the MX.

The MX is good only if shaved from new. If you grind them down, they chunk and get too many heat cycles, aside from the lack of grip from a lot of tread squirm. When shaved, they are awesome. Problem is, you need to dedicate them to just autocross, for they heat cycle out with running them on the street. The Azenis can handle a lot more heat cyles than the MX. - AB


Hmm. I would not expect the KD to be a good rain tire at all. BFG says they are not. The nickname "Killer Dry" seems to be their strength. Where the KDW is supposed to be Dry/Wet, but a compromise tire. It's good to know about the temp issues. These were on the top of my list. New GY-F1-SC are about the same price. So are PS2 (actually a bit more).

Maybe the reason the MX didn't work as well for me is I ran them full tread on the C4 and they were my street/autox tire. So they got many heat cycles and miles. They lasted the full autox season and about 10K miles. They just seem to have soft sidewalls and got greasy easily once they started wearing. Never had chunking problems with them.

The other Z06 owners are all telling me to forget street tires and go back to trailering and run V710s. Not sure if I want to do that or not. But tire selection is limited in the sizes I need. The RT-615 is also an option once they come out with the 315/30-18.

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any update on this debate? i'll need new STX tires for next season and it looks like the Falken 615s in 235/40-17" were delayed to 2Q '06.. too late.

so its either 225/45/-17"s in the 615s or 235/40-17"s in the kook RS2s..

so far i'm thinking the bigger size of the Rs2 will offset any possible lack of grip compared to the 615s.. and theyre cheaper.

just thought i'd stir this up again and get more input after you guys had a season of experience on them


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:14 am 
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I like the 'kooks on my WRX but they are shaved, to get rid of tread squirm. I have been running the old Azenis on my miata this year and when I am driving good I am basically as fast as any of the other miata driver's race tires or not. Kevin is running the new Azenis on his WRX/RS on STI wheels and he likes them. The new ones have a softer sidewall than the old ones so they have slightly slower turn in response and require a couple pounds more air pressure. It comes down personally which size you wnat more and the price you can get them at. Everyone will have different opinions on tires especially street tires.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:44 am 
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I still like 'em.

STS 2.5RS at Danville = 2nd overall indexed

STX WRX at Maggie Valley = FTPAX

(Those are the only 2 times I've autoxed on them.)

I have a few thousand street miles on them, and still no noise or tramlining, and they work great in the rain.

Sidewall is a little softer than the old Azenis, but not as bad as the Kumho MX.


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I have run 215s and 615s on the Miata, not a 3K# car, and not primarily for AX, But I find the 615s a much better tire, especially in the rain, in fact good enough that they were my rain tire of choice for national events since I could drive on them to the event and carry two sets of R's on the trailer.

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i am looking at TIR class & track time next year. it has been reccomended to me that i go with azeni's. 3200lb. car, trailered, suggestions? gotta love the off season.


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Anyone local run on the Advan AD-07? The short 225/40/17 looks like a really nice size and reviews on sccaforums look promising. I'd be really happy to have a daily drivable tire that also happens to be a good ST* autocross tire. (Too bad they are so $$$$)

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http://grmotorsports.com/news/042006/tire-testing.php

Kind of a moot point so I don't think that you can get the 215s anymore, but figured I'd share for those interested.

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