One Novice's comments on the new NOV season class

joedobner · **Joined:** Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:15 pm **Posts:** 85

jimpastorius wrote:

I felt that was a cheap shot...at the kid, thus the glass house comment. I am not sure where you got 90% from...must be a number thing again that a simple boy like me can't figure out.

His observations appear pretty right on considering his level of experience. There are no exaggerations or lies in those observations. He posted a pretty good question out there and sought some feedback.

I talked to him at Danville, and he seemed like a pretty good guy. I understand how he feels. He'd poured untold money and time into his car, and he didn't do particularly well, and that's frustrating. I know the feeling. :wink:

That being said, he's got a turbocharged and supercharged Civic that's about 90 miles from stock and he was complaining about the prep level and equipment on the other cars in novice. That doesn't seem like a fair complaint to me. Danville was his third event, and most of the folks that came in ahead of him were on their 4th or 5th event.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:44 pm

joedobner wrote:

He'd poured untold money and time into his car, and he didn't do particularly well, and that's frustrating.

Welcome to our world of motorsports where the driver matters the most. Sounds like he needs to try drag racing where the one who spends the most usually does better.

joedobner wrote:

That being said, he's got a turbocharged and supercharged Civic that's about 90 miles from stock and he was complaining about the prep level and equipment on the other cars in novice. That doesn't seem like a fair complaint to me.

See my comment above.

Michael Westerfield · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:52 pm

Vincent Keene wrote:

Sounds like he needs to try drag racing where the one who spends the most usually does better.

hehe... I don't know about that. He does own a honduh.

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:03 pm

joedobner wrote:

...he's got a turbocharged and supercharged Civic...

Just to be clear for those of you who didn't see the car, this is not two cars, one turbocharged and other supercharged. This is one car with both a supercharger and turbocharger. I talked briefly to him and he seemed like a nice guy. I asked what kind of power it made. If I remember correctly, he said 400+ at the wheel depending upon boost levels. I asked what it did at his normal boost level and he said 350 at the wheels.

Wes Eargle · **Joined:** Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:47 am **Posts:** 3683

Limited slip? Or does he use the Force?

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:09 pm

Vincent Keene wrote:

where the one who spends the most usually does better.

Or the THSCC novice class :lol:

PJ Aspesi · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:09 pm

can someone put a poll on here on weather or not everyone agrees with year long novice before this thread gets over 10 pages????

Adam Ligon · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:10 pm

Year long, not year long, 3 times.... whatever

I would go with what ever was decided in the begining of the year. I mean that's the point of electing people. Not saying for people not to complain, but these things are decided before the season for a reason.

My only issue with the way NOV is run this year is the trophy's. The decision was made not to give out trophies for all other year long classes at each event. And since NOV was made a yr long class, it would only be consistant that it followed the same logic, yet it does not.

Same with R compunds, before this yr all NOV's were required to run street tires. If that was the ruleset for the year then there should be no qualms given to those who bring out R's. People are competative, end of story.

And to restate what several have said, use your vote at the end of the year to make you position clear for the future. Or better yet step up and be voted on yourself

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:11 pm

Richard Casto wrote:

I asked what it did at his normal boost level and he said 350 at the wheels.

And what was the genius using to get all that power to the ground in a FWD car? Cleary it wasn't built for our sport.

Michael Westerfield · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:24 pm

Vincent Keene wrote:

Richard Casto wrote:

I asked what it did at his normal boost level and he said 350 at the wheels.

And what was the genius using to get all that power to the ground in a FWD car? Cleary it wasn't built for our sport.

He said he ahd a quaife and made a 12.0x pass in the 1/4 before installing the SC. I asked him if he has traction problems to which he replied "not really since I installed the SC".

No traction problems? I don't think he's trying hard enough.

David Teague · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:29 pm

Adam Ligon wrote:

Same with R compunds, before this yr all NOV's were required to run street tires. If that was the ruleset for the year then there should be no qualms given to those who bring out R's. People are competative, end of story.

As far as I know there was never a rule that you could not run R comps in the novice class unless that changed after I stopped auto-xing and came back?

I know several times people who were co-driving peoples cars on r comps in the novice class.

Michael Westerfield · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:32 pm

Why shouldn't NOV be allowed to run R compounds (if their open class is one that allows it) ST? people get a special pax based on the fact that they aren't running r comps. If were going to ban r comps in nov then ST? people should be banned from nov as well.

2nd can of worms = opened

Adam Ligon · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:37 pm

David Teague wrote:

Adam Ligon wrote:

Same with R compunds, before this yr all NOV's were required to run street tires. If that was the ruleset for the year then there should be no qualms given to those who bring out R's. People are competative, end of story.

As far as I know there was never a rule that you could not run R comps in the novice class unless that changed after I stopped auto-xing and came back?

I know several times people who were co-driving peoples cars on r comps in the novice class.

I was pretty sure they were not allowed for at least the past 2yrs in NOV. Nor were NOV's allowed to run in an ST- class either.

I didn't say I agreeded or disagreeded with past or present. I simply pointed out history for corelation.

David Teague · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:00 pm

Adam Ligon wrote:

I was pretty sure they were not allowed for at least the past 2yrs in NOV. Nor were NOV's allowed to run in an ST- class either.

That rule was becuase ST was a pax based on street tires, and it was decided that because Novice was a pax class and most were on street tires that they could not use ST as thier pax class, this also is true with the tire class for the same reason. If someone showed up on R comp tires everyone knew they would win that even and move out of the class so no real harm done.

MikeWhitney · **Joined:** Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:15 pm **Posts:** 4724

Adam Ligon wrote:

David Teague wrote:

Adam Ligon wrote:

Same with R compunds, before this yr all NOV's were required to run street tires. If that was the ruleset for the year then there should be no qualms given to those who bring out R's. People are competative, end of story.

As far as I know there was never a rule that you could not run R comps in the novice class unless that changed after I stopped auto-xing and came back?

I know several times people who were co-driving peoples cars on r comps in the novice class.

I was pretty sure they were not allowed for at least the past 2yrs in NOV. Nor were NOV's allowed to run in an ST- class either.

I didn't say I agreeded or disagreeded with past or present. I simply pointed out history for corelation.

Race tires were legal but heavily frowned upon in NOV prior to 2005. I always called it an "assumed" rule. As someone mentioned, in the rare case that someone used them, they usually trophied and got the hell out, so it was somewhat self-policing if not fair.

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