One Novice's comments on the new NOV season class

Chris Landi · **Joined:** Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:31 pm **Posts:** 579

Vincent Keene wrote:

Brian Herring wrote:

I can almost guarentee that if a NOV came in with an STi, they would own NOV all year.

Note: Brian is now admitting it's the CAR not the driver in the STi = Fast equation.

ha ha! Line cast and bait taken.

Brian Herring · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:39 am

Vincent Keene wrote:

Brian Herring wrote:

I can almost guarentee that if a NOV came in with an STi, they would own NOV all year.

Note: Brian is now admitting it's the CAR not the driver in the STi = Fast equation.

I never denied it.. but obviously it is Impreza = Fast. I think I proved that at my first RallyX as well

- brian

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:42 am

Brian Herring wrote:

obviously it is Impreza = Fast. I think I proved that at my first RallyX as well

...and you still got beat by a girl! :wink:

Jason Mauldin · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:45 am

Well Brian does bring up a good point. We should ban STIs, M3s and R32s. Those cars aren't fair to other Novice drivers and they increase the cost of playing in Novice class.

Rich Anderson · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:46 am

Jason Mauldin wrote:

Well Brian does bring up a good point. We should ban STIs, M3s and R32s. Those cars aren't fair to other Novice drivers and they increase the cost of playing in Novice class.

Or just formulate a PAX based on money spent! :twisted:

Brad Mackey · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:48 am

Hey, I think we just run the schedule with what we've put together for the year. When the season closes, we'll have a chance to re-arrange things. We can decide if this "experiment" worked or not. Majority will rule. BTW, in order to participate in the decision-making process, one must attend our meetings and volunteer to serve the club. It's the only way you have a right to bitch about anything. If you're not in on the action, there's no way you can influence the decisions!

When I started autocrossing, I couldn't wait to run in Open class. Got my ass kicked pretty regularly the first two years, but slowly improved to a respectable position in my class, which was C Stock at the time. Jim P. and I started at about the same time, and we had a ball chasing each other in C Stock, talkin' sh__t back and forth. In the end, it made us better drivers in a shorter period of time, I think, because we were competing with "the veterans" like Spencer, Hall and Harrington. Just hangin' around those folks and picking up pointers from them was the quickest path to learning this sport.

I still think our original method of kicking NOV's up to open class if they trophied was a good idea. Some of the better NOV drivers made an immediate impact on the Open classes, and that helped make those classes more competitive. More inportantly, it kept the NOV class numbers within reasonable limits and allowed for fresh competition at each event.

There are some very good NOV drivers with us now who are consistently posting respectable PAX times. If I'm in that position, hell, I wouldn't want to wait any longer to get a shot at a trophy in Open class. THSCC has some of the best competition in the Mid-Atlantic area. I guarantee that your first Open Class trophy will mean a lot to you, especially if you've beaten some veteran drivers. My $.02...

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:49 am

Jason Mauldin wrote:

Well Brian does bring up a good point. We should ban STIs, M3s and R32s. Those cars aren't fair to other Novice drivers and they increase the cost of playing in Novice class.

Maybe we need a Spec Novice Car? Personally I think Bernie's C5 would do just fine. If so, can I run Novice....please!

Brian Herring · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:55 am

What I think we need is a NOV-protection thread/forum where they are allowed to post whatever the heck they want there (question wise) without having 20 people jump down their throad/make a 9 page thread about a question they have.

All questions that are OBVIOUSLY COVERED by THSCC veterans or *special regulations* that EVERYONE knows about isn't always obvious to people wanting to do events with us on a casual basis.

Then, it would be nice to plug the forums in the driver's meetings so they have some way to get their questions answered. THAT would have been nice as a NOV.

Action -- NOVICE Forums

Opposition: ???

Any comments?

- brian

David Teague · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:59 am

Brad Mackey wrote:

BTW, in order to participate in the decision-making process, one must attend our meetings and volunteer to serve the club. It's the only way you have a right to bitch about anything. If you're not in on the action, there's no way you can influence the decisions!...

Sorry Brad I disagree, everyone should have say, paying membership dues and paying to auto-cross should at least get you a say in some of the decisions, epically things like class's.

Brian Herring · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:02 am

David Teague wrote:

Brad Mackey wrote:

BTW, in order to participate in the decision-making process, one must attend our meetings and volunteer to serve the club. It's the only way you have a right to bitch about anything. If you're not in on the action, there's no way you can influence the decisions!...

Sorry Brad I disagree, everyone should have say, paying membersship dues and paying to autocross should at least get you a say in some of the deciscions.

Woah woah woah. And end the 'elistest' status of THSCC?!?!! HERSAY!!!

:lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
[/joking manner]

(If you take that wrong, DIAF).

- brian

Rich Anderson · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:04 am

Brian Herring wrote:

What I think we need is a NOV-protection thread/forum where they are allowed to post whatever the heck they want there (question wise) without having 20 people jump down their throad/make a 9 page thread about a question they have.

All questions that are OBVIOUSLY COVERED by THSCC veterans or *special regulations* that EVERYONE knows about isn't always obvious to people wanting to do events with us on a casual basis.

Then, it would be nice to plug the forums in the driver's meetings so they have some way to get their questions answered. THAT would have been nice as a NOV.

Action -- NOVICE Forums

Opposition: ???

Any comments?

- brian

When would someone be kicked of the novice forum? After they participate in 3 threads? Or after a year? :lol:

OK, seriously, a FAQ for each of the three event type forums would be a better idea. I am sure that such a thing exists, but there is no easy link from the forums. The Newbie's Guide to Track/Ax/Rx - please read before you post.

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:05 am

David Teague wrote:

Brad Mackey wrote:

BTW, in order to participate in the decision-making process, one must attend our meetings and volunteer to serve the club. It's the only way you have a right to bitch about anything. If you're not in on the action, there's no way you can influence the decisions!...

Sorry Brad I disagree, everyone should have say, paying membersship dues and paying to autocross should at least get you a say in some of the deciscions.

That is what got me started on this thread ad got me ugly mails from some of the officiers. If the club decides the forum is the defacto communication medium, then so be it. But last I checked, the club meetings and Heal and Toe were where we communication possible changes, solicated opinions and voted on changes.

Remember TIR class....everyone's opinion was heard and my proposal was defeated...cool. That happened at the meeting:)

Brian Herring · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:08 am

Rich Anderson wrote:

Brian Herring wrote:

What I think we need is a NOV-protection thread/forum where they are allowed to post whatever the heck they want there (question wise) without having 20 people jump down their throad/make a 9 page thread about a question they have.

All questions that are OBVIOUSLY COVERED by THSCC veterans or *special regulations* that EVERYONE knows about isn't always obvious to people wanting to do events with us on a casual basis.

Then, it would be nice to plug the forums in the driver's meetings so they have some way to get their questions answered. THAT would have been nice as a NOV.

Action -- NOVICE Forums

Opposition: ???

Any comments?

- brian

When would someone be kicked of the novice forum? After they participate in 3 threads? Or after a year? :lol:

OK, seriously, a FAQ for each of the three event type forums would be a better idea. I am sure that such a thing exists, but there is no easy link from the forums. The Newbie's Guide to Track/Ax/Rx - please read before you post.

Tangent but relevant

I notice that we had been doing a NOVICE mentor program. How does one get to be apart of helping with that program?

I ask as I would not be good help for someone trying to drive a RWD/FWD car, but I would not mind he 'officially' tapped to help the up-and-coming THSCC AWD Hacks. I have been pretty much doing this anyway, but I noticed some new WRX/RS guys at the last event. It would have been nice to be a 'reference' if they needed advice.

We seem to have been doing this ADHOC at events, but I would not mind be apart of that full-time in that respect (if help is needed).

Lemme know who I need to contact!

- brian

David Teague · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:12 am

What I mean by a say in some decisions it could be as simple as e-mailing and officer, and not be berated because they do not have time to help out, I know I miss a lot because I bowl on Wednesdays and cannot make the meetings, however if I was at the meeting I would have a say by either voting yes or no, or being bringing up a proposal. Brad said that you had to be at the meetings and volunteer to serve the club, serving the club should be secondary, and it will probably give you a great voice, but just because someone does not have the time to help the club out does not meant they should automatically have no voice.

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:16 am

Jason Mauldin wrote:

Well Brian does bring up a good point. We should ban STIs, M3s and R32s. Those cars aren't fair to other Novice drivers and they increase the cost of playing in Novice class.

How did this thread get to the point of banning cars and equipment from Novice class? :roll:

Let's make one point...I suggested no such thing. I simply stated that to be competitve in the new class, the entry cost has soared! It appears that some people feel to fix this problem is to ban certain tires, cars...next thing ban certain races, economic levels, eye colors....

To be competitive in novice costs you more than being competitive in TIR. Go figure that one out.

And don't tell me about people not being competitive...that is the very nature of this activity.

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