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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:54 pm 
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I hate working the course at autox and I must tell you about it, often.

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jimpastorius wrote:
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Stations 1-6 needed 1 person and Stations 7-11 needed 2.
A station should never have one worker :) I can tell you the guys in the P were running like crazy when I was working T&S.

On Saturday we were launching when a car exited the P and headed onto the taxiway. The starter had their back to the course, so he could not see what is happening in the P or the taxiway. That is pretty dangerous. On Saturday, I waited a little while after getting the go ahead. After barely missing two workers on my first run (one was Mr. Butters), I thought it better to wait. Especially after following Ryan :)


I won't argue that point with you Jim. It would have been great to have 2 workers at any station and 3 at really busy ones. But even with 150 entries that wouldn't work at Laurinburg to run the big course.

As far as the starter having his back to the course. The starter should have the option of standing on either side of the start gate. Is there some physical reason why this is not possible?

When Dick was working start he turned around and checked the P before he let me launch. Like you I also scanned it and the part of the taxiway I could see.

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jimpastorius wrote:
I thought it better to wait. Especially after following Ryan :)


Thanks for the love. 8) Im still trying to figure out this whole FWD driving thing. Off throttle oversteer is foreign to a reformed AWD hack. It made for some entertaining moments in the crossover, where I spun 5 times this past weekend :shock: .

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I thought it better to wait. Especially after following Ryan :)


Thanks for the love. 8) Im still trying to figure out this whole FWD driving thing. Off throttle oversteer is foreign to a reformed AWD hack. It made for some entertaining moments in the crossover, where I spun 5 times this past weekend :shock: .


I do not know who was working the taxiway when I came through on my first run Saturday. But if you did take all those cones down as you claimed, that person working was awesome....cause they were set back up. I did freak when I came around the turn and he was still on course though :) But the cones were up!!!

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I am not sure what happened to the work stations this weekend. On Saturday, I never really paid attention to the number of stations actually out there. I was told there was 11, so we sent people out to 11 stations as Graham described, 1 person for stations 1-6 and 2 people for 7-11.

At the driver's meeting on Sunday, Bernie Baake pointed out that there were in fact 13 work stations. I left the drivers meeting and took a drive around the course to find 13 stations. After suggestion, I added another station in the P, making 14 stations total. Without having all the stations numbered, it was tough sending people out to work and having them know where to work. Basically though, we had one person at every station up to the big sweeper on to the main runway (7 workstation with the one I added in the P). Then, I had 6 people spread themselves out between the big sweeper and the end of the absolutely dreadful offsets. Then I had two people at the very last station at the slalom spread themselves out to cover that. Add it up, that is 15 workers. I would say I had 10 folks or so that worked twice either on the course twice or on the course once and then at some other position (bus driver, course set up, gate worker, announcer). I was kind of amazed that it all got covered myself....I was pretty nervous in the morning.

Just a note though, after we had the discussion that not having an announcer was unacceptable after the last few events, I did have announcers assigned for every heat this weekend. We also had a driver helping with the food preperation. I also had multiple people come up over the weekend and tell me that they were going to be doing stand-by for timing and scoring and they weren't sent out to work the course (not officers). I don't single any of these people out to say they were doing the wrong thing....just to account for some of the people that we are saying I *should* have had to go work the course.

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tote them out, pick them up. easily add one hour to the event, but you would always know who was where.


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Stephen Westerfield wrote:
I also had multiple people come up over the weekend and tell me that they were going to be doing stand-by for timing and scoring and they weren't sent out to work the course (not officers).


I saw a few statements in other threads that the senior officers were supposed to cover the stand-by position last weekend. However, Chris recruited me and presumably some others for that position too. Might have just been a misunderstanding due to Todd's absence.

I suggest we just do without the stand-by worker for an event and see how it goes. As I see it, that position requires a person who is experienced (and competent) in handling raw sheets, working the T&S program du jour and detecting and correcting timer glitches. That reduces the pool of eligible candidates to a very small group.


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Well I really think the event chairs shouild discuss worker stations, both quantity, number, and people required for each event.

I can tell you from last year this never happened, and often Ryan and Myslef would show up and have to figure it out in about 10 mins. Needless to say that is less than ideal and can lead to issues throughout the day.

It just seems like the worker nazi's are left out of the loop till the morning of the event.

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You ought to chair an event *with* a worker coordinator. That worked out really well :wink:

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Adam Ligon wrote:
It just seems like the worker nazi's are left out of the loop till the morning of the event.


Actually, Graham and I spoke (e-mailed) a few times about the worker stations before the event. I knew what we would be up against going into it and I think initially on Saturday morning we started out with only 11 work stations. I think through out the day as people spread out to cover more of the high cone carnage areas, that is where we ended up with the 14 worker stations I ran into the next morning. I was pretty busy and didn't get a chance to walk the course before the drivers meeting on Sunday, otherwise I might have noticed it. I really appreciated Bernie Baake bring this up to us at the drivers meeting so we could get it somewhat sorted out before we sent workers out on course.

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