Run Order

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:22 am

One thing to remember, it has always been at the discretion of the event chairs as to how the event runs. They can use the 2&2 order or the 4&4 or any other method they come up with. There is no hard and fast THSCC rule that dictates the 2&2 order!

That being said, Laurinburg lends itself to the 4&4 order (4 groups, 4 runs). Why? If you have 11 worker stations and the 2&2 order will only get you 15 workers per heat, you have problems. But if you run the 4&4, you now have 30 workers per heat. Problem would have been solved.

Plus, Axware provides heat control! No more splitting by classes by excel

Arthur McDonald · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:54 am **Posts:** 2052

Jim,

By "4&4", do you mean you take all of your runs in one heat, then work 2 of the 3 remaining heats? I don't see how reshuffling the run order increases the number of workers otherwise. Were there really only 60 workers available to work the course out of 132 entrants last weekend?

It was hotter than all get-out Saturday in Laurinburg. I think we should definitely look into using heat control at Danville next month :lol:

Art

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:43 am

Arthur McDonald wrote:

Jim,

By "4&4", do you mean you take all of your runs in one heat, then work 2 of the 3 remaining heats? I don't see how reshuffling the run order increases the number of workers otherwise. Were there really only 60 workers available to work the course out of 132 entrants last weekend?

It was hotter than all get-out Saturday in Laurinburg. I think we should definitely look into using heat control at Danville next month :lol:

Art

Let me go back and o my math on this

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:51 am

Arthur McDonald wrote:

Jim,

Were there really only 60 workers available to work the course out of 132 entrants last weekend?

Art

We only had about 110 entrants per day, the 132 is the total number from both days.

And, yes, we only had about 60 people to work the course. Our number of non-cone shaggers is pretty high, and were trying to figure out where to spare a few people and still maintain our normal level of professionalism (audits, etc).

Edit: As it is, we've already freed up 4 course workers per event because we eliminated the T&S standby position. This is now supposed to be occupied by the officers (VP/Pres) and/or event chairs, as needed. Even so, we're at about 44 people who DON'T normally shag cones at an event. If we need more workers, then people will have to pull double duty.

Scott

David Teague · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:04 am

I remeber us doing the 4 run group thing at the RBC center... I ended up working like 3 shifts (announed 2 work the course on one) Because we did not have enough workers to cover for the rbc, I do not see how making the run groups smaller by having 4 will help that issue.

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:32 am

I just do not understand why we always have worker issues. It seems we have more issues than any other club I have run with. Unless the light bulb pops back on, I may have to agree with Art's arguement there is no difference.

We should of had 30 workers (120 drivers) per worker group. That should of given us:

2 workers per station (22)
3 T&S (25)
2 grid (27)
1 starter (28 )
1 tech/waiver (29)
1 officier/event chair (30)

1 worker per station (11)
3 T&S (14)
1 grid (15)
1 starter (16)
1 tech/waiver (17)
13 Missing (30)

I ran a VMSC event at VMP about 3 weeks ago. It was nearly a mile long course with 7-8 worker stations and the average time was 72 seconds. My worker station at the end of the course (I guessed wrong at sign up) had 4 workers for the third heat. For heat 4, they averaged 2-3 workers per station. How?

What am I missing here?

MilesBeam · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2003 1:57 pm **Posts:** 427

Jim, at VMP were they able to put worker stations in the middle so that they could cover the course going down and back? If so, they can do it with half the number of worker stations we can at say, Lbg.

Do you remember how many worker stations they had?

Miles

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:46 am

MilesBeam wrote:

Jim, at VMP were they able to put worker stations in the middle so that they could cover the course going down and back? If so, they can do it with half the number of worker stations we can at say, Lbg.

Do you remember how many worker stations they had?

Miles

Read my post

They had 7-8 worker stations...I would guess 7. Actually, the course did not lend itself to covering huge areas with on station. Using a crossover like they did causes issues. Even if they had 6, our math is not working out.

MikeWhitney · **Joined:** Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:15 pm **Posts:** 4724

jimpastorius wrote:

That being said, Laurinburg lends itself to the 4&4 order (4 groups, 4 runs). Why? If you have 11 worker stations and the 2&2 order will only get you 15 workers per heat, you have problems. But if you run the 4&4, you now have 30 workers per heat. Problem would have been solved.

Nope, math is wrong. No matter HOW you split 120 people into 4 groups, there are always 30 people to work, and we're hearing that about 1/3 to 1/2 of those 30 are tied up with non-course activities.

The only difference between 2/2&*2 and 4/4 is when you get your runs.

(Of course it solves some logistics, reduces the grid size, reduces the number of cars driving back and forth from grid to pits [which isn't a problem], but it creates some other logistics problems. But for the record I too still want to stick with 2/2*2)

steve remchak · **Posted:** Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:26 pm

50 admin positions?

4@ gate
4@ registration
2@ event chair
10@ T&S
4@ starter
4@ announcer
2@ worker cord. (definitely understaffed and underappreciated)
4@ grid
6@ at large officers (porta john relocation and all the other BS that comes with the job)
4@ bus logistics

it would seem to me we need to boost entrants total to about 150. i, in no way mean to detract from the efforts put forth by these admin positions but i do believe the efficiency would not be decreased by adding more participants.

in the case where attendance falls short of required staffing, recruitment may need to be considered. when was the last time THSCC was written up in a publication? i found you guys thru the internet. i have lived here for 12 years, and my wife is born and raised here. as distasteful as this may sound, do we need to go more mainstream and recruit?

drag racing is seeing a resurgence of street racers headed to small local tracks. fart tubed hondas and neon eclipses need somewhere to go. (the junkyard is my first choice for them) however, this may be the future.

long & fast courses rock. i feel as a club we are truly fortunate to have these venues on our schedule. i watched a video of a national event in a mall parking lot cordoned off from the passing minivans with caution tape and thought how much i would not have enjoyed that at all. the dudes running were very good, but still not my cup of tea.

don't mean to offend or try to piss anyone off, but we might need a membership drive.

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