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Hey, I rode with Marcus - and he's even more of a hack than Brian. :P



Bastard!! :x

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I liked most of the course but really hated the slow offsets after the sweeper, the seemed out of place compared to what was before and after, and I really had a hard time getting back in to rhythm after that section. IT just seemed painfully slow and having to crank the wheel almost lock to lock to get through the offsets and just seemed out of character compared to the rest of the course. If I could have stayed on Sunday I may have figured the offsets out and some of this could have been due to me being rusty. I really liked the length of the course and the mixing of elements and varying slalom lengths, there were a lot of nice elements that you do not see at most auto-x’s.

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MarcusMcRae wrote:
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Other pros:

FM transmitter (especially the announcer in the middle of the day on sunday!)


Please sir, dont feed the animals.... :lol:


We should make Randy our full time anouncer!! :lol: :twisted:


My favorite quote from Randy while he was announcing on Saturday.
"Can I get a WHOOO-RAAA.....I said, Can I Get A WHOOO-RAAA?" :lol:

Great job with the course! It was a blast to drive. Just when you think you had it figured out and get a bit greedy, the course would jump up and bite you in the ass (just to let you know that you didn't have it figured out).

Thanks to everyone for all the hard work. That's what makes THSCC so awesome!! :D

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LOVED driving the course. I don't care how much of a pain it is to run the "Miles Loop" as some of us call it, it's worth it.

LOVED having yummy burgers for lunch. Thanks to Christine and helpers.

LOVED the dash plaques. I haven't cracked up about dash plaques like that in a long time :)

The new pits PA works awesome - thanks Rob.

Rob and Graham, you guys did a great job. We all owe you a beer.

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I'm still decompressing and making notes on what I did and didn't like about this weekend and how it went. I'll post on that later.

A big thank you to everyone that helped on this one. Rob and some folks covered it pretty well about who helped and in what areas. I think we got almost everyone to do something extra for the club this weekend.

We put a lot of pressure on officers, staff members, T&S, Worker Coordinators, and especially course workers.

I'll still take a tough weekend with Tarheels over an easy visitor weekend running with another club. It isn't the Elitist thing at all to me. It's the people in the club and the pride and willingness to "Get'r'Done", no matter what.

Thanks again everyone!

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Les Davis wrote:
I love Laurinburg "Monster Mile" courses. They are undoubtedly my favorite and I doubt I'm alone in this feeling. Granted there are logistical problems with them, and hassles that make them go less smoothly than is typical, but its worth it to me, and we always seem to "git er done." These courses are worth the extra hassles involved to me, I just need to remember that the next time I'm working T&S raw sheets at a Laurinburg "Monster Mile" course. :) I don't think we need to be making brearucratic decisions that regulate these courses out of existence.


Please do not accuse me of wanting to "regulate" the Monster Mile out of existence. I said no such thing. There comes a time when we need to step back and review what we did right to have a smooth running Monster Mile and what we have done wrong to cause a bad event.

To have a smooth running monster mile course, the field has been mowed to ground. (FYI, I would only lose sight of a car when it dropped on the crossover) We have had nearly 150 drivers. For both good and bad events, T&S has had issues with seeing the car numbers because we place the bus in the wrong area. So let's work on getting the bus set right at least :)

Next Monster Mile with 112 workers, I expect the line to be long to work course down at the crossover all by yourself. I have not seen too many posts from people that were stuck on course for over 3 hours. Been there and done that with HSCC at Belle Chere a few years back. At least I had water and people around me.

Maybe start a thread on getting more drivers out to Laurinburg?

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Thanks to all who worked so hard, especially to keep things running when it started to go badly. Christine and her "crew" deserve a special thanks for, once again, providing a good lunch.
The course was great and I liked it, even though I didn't run very well. The guys who swept and patched the track went beyond the call of duty. Thanks for your dedication.
Randy, "I'm not right in the head", should keep being the announcer. I was tired on Sunday and his "humor" picked me up.
I can't believe the results got up so quickly! That's a job well done.

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Also, I think we should all congratulate Brian on hitting 11 cones in one run. That was something truly special. :lol:


With workers out there one to a station and 3 hour stints, I think they should kick someone like that in the ass.

A hats off to Matt McGrain ... one cone over the entire two days. That is special!!!!


Jim, thanks for the tips about aproaching the offsets at a slower speed in order to gain a quicker exit into the last slalom. I saw alot of people doing late corrections though this section; myself not excuded for my first eight runs. As far as not hitting cones, well, that was sheer luck and possibly a result of not pushing the pedal on the far right enough.

In my 2 1/2 seasons autocrossing with Tarheel, I think that even with the computer mishaps, this was my most enjoyable event!

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Ok so here goes on the course and Lessons Learned


Split Personality
While we joked about this. Rob came up with the name based on a Miata and Corvette guy chairing an event. The Photo Chopped car was the funny part. Robs' friend did that chopping for us based on our idea. We were both pretty happy with that. We agreed on most of the course and ideas so it really wasn't based on jamming Miata elements and Corvette elements back to back. But it sure seemed that way.


The P:

When we went down weeks ago we never setup the P. It took too much time to clean and setup the main runway. So I did the P on paper and kept it fairly simple. And made sure we had open sweepers that most people like.
The diamond (some people thought it was a football). The intent of that was to make the preceding slalom entry optional and give people a choice on which side of the diamond they wanted to travel. Smaller cars could
take the short cut and larger cars could swing out and throttle it. We had to dismantle it unfortunately.
The intent was that the first cone of the diamond was actually the last cone in the slalom. Some people felt it could easily be seen as a standalone island and people would skip the last slalom cone shorting it up.
So we removed it. But it is coming back at some point in the future once I figure out how to use it differently.

Overall the P was easy, swing the pivot cone at the start. Enter a decreasing slalom, jump around the sweeper, go through a gate and into a jog around a pivot cone with a wall border. People who got burnt by that were simply driving too hard. I liked it and thought it was fun.


Taxiway:

Hmm, big contention point with some people. Apparently broke some golden rule of not having a slalom be either fixed, increasing or decreasing. Well it was an increasing then decreasing slalom. First 2 pointers
pushing you to the right. This was simply working around bad concrete. Then increase to the middle then decreases towards the end to slow you down before you hit the taxiway. There is bad concrete in the middle
and at the end. So forcing cars left and right at the intervals we chose was to keep you off the worst concrete. It was 50-50-75-100-75-50-50 (not random at all). If you gave it up at the end of the 100 you
could brake in a straight line and throw the car back in. Treat it as 2 slaloms, not 1. I thought it removed some of the boredom of the Taxiway since it has very limited options. I think I liked it but I'm not really
100% on that. I could take it or leave it.


Crossover:

This was the most fun part of the course for me. I thought this was the best sweeper out of all of them. I wanted a fast entry and Rob wanted Chicago boxes offset. Usually there is some small slalom in there. This changed things up. We did take the last cone in the slalom and move it in so that you had an easier entry into the box. We also moved the last cone at the end of the box in on both boxes. Apparently a lot of people tried to overcook that and take out the wall or part of it. That really was an easy jog through both if you had your car settled down properly.


Sweeper:

Ok so the big sweeper to the main runway is a favorite for Laurinburg. You can let the tail hang out and have fun.
Or take the shortest line. Whatever makes you happy. For this event we swung it way out to get you on the new concrete and not run over all that crap tar patching in the middle of the runway. So in theory a good idea. Then at the end of the sweeper the concrete started tearing apart. Damn! So Rob, Scott, Sally, Ann and myself fixed it Saturday night. It was the only new area that came apart. After the sweeper we gave you a little rundown area.
Actually about 100ft. Some of you took advantage of that and some just blew threw it and got tangled in the small slalom.


Main Runway:

That fed an offset slalom as we moved you across the runway. Again to get around bad concrete. We left the open gate on the other side of the runway as the setup for the next 2 elements. Here it got interesting. When
we setup the course weeks ago we had these next 2 elements spaced out so they were fun and challenging. Not painful. When we rebuilt the course we got that spacing seriously wrong. We screwed up. The 2 elements were
taken right out of Roger Johnson's 1999 North Course. 1st the Tunnel and then the Walls. It was really supposed to drive like a small sweeper in the middle of the runway and then a nice S. All the cones were really about the
visual. To make it look like a tunnel and then driving into 3 walls. Coming out of that if done properly you were set to fly through 2 offsets. I really wanted those and they were a blast to drive. But the trick was to slow
down sooner than you thought for the last slalom. But that was the end of the course. The last slalom was a decreasing slalom intended to get you slowed down. That final slalom caused some grief also. I think we could have done that part better. After that slalom you had a quick right turn and out of the box. Pointing away from cars and people. And pointing you right back to "pit row".


Lessons Learned:

    So overall our idea felt sound but it ended up not running like it should.
    We full well expected some really fast drivers to break 60 seconds. We were off by a good 10 seconds.
    We created cone carnage and that was never the intent.
    It was tighter than it should have been in some areas and I hate super tight painful courses.
    We missed the notion of fast sections being followed by medium then slow. So we made mistakes there making people go from full on to full off. Some, but not all areas should have had better transitions.
    We had a longer course than the head count could bear. We realize that now but had no real way to predict entry count. I was surprised and dissapointed in a realtively low turnout for Laurinburg.
    We had options to shorten the course at the beginning or end already planned for. It was agreed to try and run it the way it was built. I thank the staff for supporting us. But as Event Chairs we should have pushed to cut the course based on the entries.



As with all courses some people hate them, love them, think they're so-so. Everyone has their favorite courses and elements they want to see. And elements they don't want to see. That's perfectly fine. I had no visions about everyone being crazy about it. The course idea was thinking outside the box and trying new things. Some of it worked and some of it backfired.

With all the problems that arose including the course and worker count it just made my weekend so-so. But it hasn't slowed me down. Most of this is really a technical challenge and I enjoy those. I'll figure out how to do it better.

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Hooray for Graham and Rob- I thought the course was great!

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Ryan Holton wrote:
Just as a side note, season point SHOULD be tabulated tonight and posted shortly after that.

I will update the points after every event from here on out.


Any word on this? I wanted to know just how badly I'm getting my ass kicked in DS. :nana:


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Matt McGrain wrote:
Ryan Holton wrote:
Just as a side note, season point SHOULD be tabulated tonight and posted shortly after that.

I will update the points after every event from here on out.


Any word on this? I wanted to know just how badly I'm getting my ass kicked in DS. :nana:


Urgent Notification
Re: Season Points

Fellow Tarheels Members,

All season points are now on hold pending a team protest and investigation. It appears that at Laurinburg, Sanford, and Greenville all courses contained a (now infamous) “Turn 13”. Some of our members had been running Michelin Tyres. The members feel that none of the sites or courses were properly tested and homologated (or homogenized).

We are investigating this thoroughly and will base our findings on the outcome of the USGP and some arbitrary rules we’ll make up as we see fit. Please consider donating large sums of money to the club to help expedite this process. Also please keep in mind that if you are unhappy with your season standings we will not refund your money. We don’t make tyres, it ain’t our fault.

Should you be running Michelin Tyres for our July event at Danville please do not enter “Turn 13”. Pit immediately after Turn 12, wait a mandatory 2 seconds, then proceed to Turn 14 and finish. This will count as your time. Any cones hit in the pit area will count against your time.

Warmest Regards,
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Graham Jagger wrote:
All season points are now on hold pending a team protest and investigation. It appears that at Laurinburg, Sanford, and Greenville all courses contained a (now infamous) “Turn 13”....


Thats the final straw!! I am forming my own club in 2008! I want a bigger cut of the money, more control, etc. :evil:

Oh, wait, this is a volunteer organization... Never mind. Move along, nothing to see here....

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