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I agree with Chuck about separating rallyx and autox. You could not separate it completely because we use all of the same stuff. We use the same bus, same trailer, same cones, same computer, same timing equipment, same printer, wristbands etc. Given the fact that we share so many things a separate budget would be nice where rallyx pays for a portion of these common things and autox pays for a portion of these common things. It doesn't make sense for all of these common things to come out of only the autox budget. I know the budget is already being worked on so perhaps this is already in place.

We ran the numbers at the start of the season, and with the current Rallycross attendence, they are in good shape. I don't actually see the need to separate the programs anymore than they are.

Yes, the money comes out of the same account, but the RX program is definately putting in more than they are taking out.

Scott

I voted a free event. I'm thinking more on the lines of the last fun event we run at the end of the season. Based on the bank account at that time or even a discounted price. If it is doable for members only.

Carl made a point that SCCA has the finest equipment and they charge $100 for 6 runs. We charge $20/25 for 4-5 runs. If the gadgets drive entry costs to a $100 for 6 runs then I'm against gadgets. They should be budgeted for accordingly. And no I'm not against high tech. It pays my bills. Just being realistic on what and why.

Along those lines I like Miles' point about having a more fixed budget without getting into a beaurocratic nightmare. Some percent is alloted to keep the club running. That covers maintenence of existing equipment and necessary updates to keep it current. Supplies and all get a peice. Then some percent is allocated for R&D. That covers T&S changes like AXware, wireless devices, remote whatever, etc... If you have to work within a reasonable budget then you can still get new hardware but it won't turn into a spending spree. You could also setup a fund for donations towards gadgets. Some people have already offered to put money towards them.

I also disagree with one of the ideas Miles had about increasing attendance to 140 or more. Regardless of how many high tech solutions we have it still takes time to run 120 cars in a day. We only have so much daylight to do it. Unless we start extending our day during the months with DST. We already set a cap of 120 and let 5-20 more cars in. If we set a cap of 140 then let 5-20 more in it will get out of hand. I'll be the first to admit that I want 5 runs instead of 4 and we seem to be able to consistently do that now. If high tech solutions means maybe 6 runs even better

I beleive over the winter that Ryan mentioned any expenses over $1,000 would get club membership to vote on. I think that is a good idea. There was also discussion about someone putting together a doc showing revenues and expenses over the past years. Similar to what Mark V. showed at the Xmas party. I'd still like to see that.

Who knows, maybe they'll be enough left over to buy that awning

I'm all for seperating the Rallycross program. Both programs should pay some amount towards the bus, equipment, and supplies. While today the Rallyx program is taking less than it brings in that doesn't mean it won't tomorrow. You have seperate groups of people and interests. Just like the track program.

Graham

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Neither. We need more keggers.

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Well, since I'm a rallyx vp, I guess I should respond to the separation of autox & rallyx funds.

1) How would we actually implement that? and 2) why do you think we are draining resources when we're actually starting to make money now - which, I'm just guessing here, is going into the autox account?



I'm just fine with leaving it the way it is, until we're making a lot more money than we are right now. At that point, I guess we should keep it in our own account, rather than give it to those autoxers - most of whom don't even go to our events, or even appreciate that there's a need for them.

I would not even go there. The RallyX might be bringing in monies. But it has no expenses because those are covered y the AX program. For example, if the AX program runs 8 events and RallyX runs 6 events, then the cost of the bus is 60/40, the insurance and storage is 60/40. All the gagdets you use now came from the AX program. WIth double the use, you need to pay the AX fund for the accelerated depreciation on the existing cones, timer, computer, etc.

So leave well enough alone.

Let's get back to using the resources of the club to secure sites closer to the RDU area. Once we get those, then knock yourself out on all the gadgets you want, bickering about funds, courses, etc

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Graham,

I think you misread my post. What I was trying to get at was that more processes (and inevitably more "gadgets") are needed as the size of the event goes up. I used as an example the SCCA Solo 2 Nationals in Topeka, KS. This is the championship event for the entire country, and I believe the largest event (in terms of number of competitors) in the entire world. They have more than 1100 competitors there for a week of competition on two separate courses. They don't charge $100 because they've got such expensive gadgets, they charge $100 because it's an absolutely huge event, and it's run at an absolutely top-notch level, and because there is nowhere else in the country where you could have the same experience, at any price.

When you only have 20-30 cars, and accuracy isn't that important, you can get by with stopwatches and scorecards. As events get bigger, though, you have to invest in your infrastructure if you want to be able to keep pace.

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maybe i'm out of the loop...are resources the reason we don't have sites closer to RDU? are there sites out there that we have looked at but decided they were to costly?

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yeah, what Chris said.

Resources are not always money. Your time is usually more valuable than money.

I am not picking on anyone Mike, you listening What if we took all the time and energy that went into the new bus and focused that towards securing or resecuring local sites? If the club can turn an airport jittney into a vehicle that rivals the SCCA wagon, imagine what might happen on securing sites.

What is more important to the continued growth and success...an automated speech program for announcing times or getting a site or two that is within 30 minutes of RDU?

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Jim Pastorius
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2002 BMW R1150R

2009 3rd Place CMC Mid-Atlantic Championship
2009 CMC Hyperfest Winner

actually, we already have a couple of sites that are within 30 minutes of RDU...


and they're even covered with dirt! Yeehaw!


I do think that the technogeeks may be getting a little too active, though. I'd rather keep things simple & focus on having fun than have all the latest whiz-bang doodads...

I'll second that!!!!!!

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Todd Breakey
STS 42 - 1992 Sunburst Miata
Dammit!
"You souldn't play leap frog with a porcupine. You might get hurt." - Eliza

Promoting teens to race. Heck, we can't even get persmission to use the NCSHP's facility.

Edit: The closest we'll ever get to our own real estate will be if one of our more wealthy members ...cough..Donnie...cough decides to pave us a big spot.

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'93 Acura Integra (Team SWB 24HOL Car)

We wouldn't be teaching them to RACE, we would be teaching Advanced driving Techniques!

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Todd Breakey
STS 42 - 1992 Sunburst Miata
Dammit!
"You souldn't play leap frog with a porcupine. You might get hurt." - Eliza

Sounds the same as handing a teenager a condom then saying don't have sex.

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Vincent Keene
'06 Ford Mustang GT (track rat)
'15 Dodge Charger R/T (yeah, it's got a HEMI!)
'07 Ford Fusion SE (205,000 miles and counting)
'98 Chevy Z-24 (retired)
'93 Acura Integra (Team SWB 24HOL Car)