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Aaron Buckley wrote:
It would make a nice daily driver for someone, especially considering it gets 35mph around town.


I didn't realize that Honduhs could go so fast! :lol:

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Aaron Buckley wrote:
It would make a nice daily driver for someone, especially considering it gets 35mph around town.


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I didn't realize that Honduhs could go so fast! :lol:


Corrected.... Thanks, a-hole ;) - AB

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If you can scrape together the extra dough, I think you'd be better served by an E36 325is. More durable and less quirky than an E30. Oh, and btw, the E30 will need the 'sump too, the E36 doesn't seem to need one.

Reading your post gave me some déjà vu. Same problem in LH corners - not from oil sloshing, but rather high RPM causing the oil to stay pumped up in the head. Fortunately for me, I caught it early and just had spun rod bearings. I'd be curious to see what your rod bearings look like.


Unfortunately, E36 BMWs (except the '95 M3 LTW) also do have some oil pick-up problems under high lateral loading conditions. The oil pick up is one one side of the oil pan (I forget which side), resulting in lack of oil flow to the head when the oil sloshes to the other side of the pan. (BMW engineers apparently figured this out with the '95 M3 LTW, it comes with a dual pick-up arrangement, but they still chose not to use that pan on any other E36 model.) The "fix" is to overfill the oil, about 1 quart above the full mark on the dipstick. With my M3, this still didn't entirely alleviate the post-run ticking lifter noises, but it seems to do the trick with my 328 - not sure why the difference.

Also, E36's experience fuel starvation problems under hard cornering loads (right turns), similar situation with the fuel pump pickup on one (right) side of the fuel tank. Both my M3 and 328 had/have problems when fuel hits 3/8th tank or less. This killed my 2nd and 3rd laps at the time trial on Sunday - I couldn't get through Turn 1 without fuel starving. Strangely, I had just added 1-1/2 gallons of fuel after running my last run group, where I had no fuel starvation problems and was running the same lap times.

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Aaron Buckley wrote:
Corrected.... Thanks, a-hole ;) - AB


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Kevin Allen wrote:
oh, another PS - STU will (or at least SHOULD) destroy all the classes listed above.


I am surprised that no one has listed Marcus McRae in this thread. He has consistently posted Top 5 Pax times, and I believe he has been in the top 10 raw on street tires running ESP.

I am hoping I can get him and a few others to start running in STU. If anything else Stacy will be running in STU Ladies class this year.

I still see the major ST* players are around though:

- Kevin Allen - STX
- Keith - STX
- Marcus McRae - STU (if he can be coaxed ;))
- Chris Brown - STS
- Wes Eargle - Rookie of the Year - STS
- Mike Winn - STX

It will be interesting. I hope we get more cars that want to fill out the STU class. I think it would be a great PAX class for local autoX, but people are going to race where the competition is.

Maybe we should have a ST* PAX class ;)

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Brian Herring wrote:
I still see the major ST* players are around though:

- Kevin Allen - STX
- Keith - STX
- Marcus McRae - STU (if he can be coaxed ;))
- Chris Brown - STS
- Wes Eargle - Rookie of the Year - STS
- Mike Winn - STX



well, you can take me off your list...i'm running an EP rabbit this year

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I'll run in STU with you if I can use R compounds. :D

I got the toyo ra1's mounted yesterday & put them on the WRX when I got home. :shock: These things rock. I'm definitely looking forward to ESP this year - I wonder if the Miater will be fun enough to pull me away much... I guess I'll find out at the T&T.


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Kevin Allen wrote:
I'll run in STU with you if I can use R compounds. :D

I got the toyo ra1's mounted yesterday & put them on the WRX when I got home. :shock: These things rock. I'm definitely looking forward to ESP this year - I wonder if the Miater will be fun enough to pull me away much... I guess I'll find out at the T&T.


Wow.. that will be interesting. I never thought of anyone bringing a WRX with R-compounds to ESP. I hope to see you owning Marcus and I :). If so, I think all the F-bods and Mustang owners are going to start petitioning us for a 'Subaru' class. ;)

Regardless, I hope to learn something from the senior members of our club this year, and just become more smooth/competitive/consistent with the 'fast guys'.

It's going to be a fun year, and I can't wait to get started. If someone else will come to STU, I will run there ;)

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Brian Herring wrote:
I think all the F-bods and Mustang owners are going to start petitioning us for a 'Subaru' class. ;)





No we are just gonna ban them all together :wink: :wink: :wink:

Also, dont forget us little guys in STS2. Theoretically, most of the top running cars here run CSP, whereas STU pull alot of ESP cars in. CSP>ESP :)

Now that I have figured out how to keep all my oil INSIDE my motor, I may actually get to drive my CRX :roll:

PS- Your welcome Art McDonald :)

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Ryan Holton wrote:
Brian Herring wrote:
I think all the F-bods and Mustang owners are going to start petitioning us for a 'Subaru' class. ;)





No we are just gonna ban them all together :wink: :wink: :wink:

Also, dont forget us little guys in STS2. Theoretically, most of the top running cars here run CSP, whereas STU pull alot of ESP cars in. CSP>ESP :)

Now that I have figured out how to keep all my oil INSIDE my motor, I may actually get to drive my CRX :roll:

PS- Your welcome Art McDonald :)


I know... I saw Jason on old slicks do very well at Greenville and finish top 5 (CSP). I was very impressed.

I am not as familiar with the STS2 and STT cars, so I hope to see quite a few of them out there this year to see what the 'new toys' can do :)

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Chris Brown wrote:
Brian Herring wrote:
I still see the major ST* players are around though:

- Kevin Allen - STX
- Keith - STX
- Marcus McRae - STU (if he can be coaxed ;))
- Chris Brown - STS
- Wes Eargle - STS
- Mike Winn - STX



well, you can take me off your list...i'm running an EP rabbit this year


You can take me off your list, I'm running an ES Miata this year.

As far as the other discussion goes, I don't exactly hear Sam Strano (or Randy Melton for that matter) whining about Subarus. Apparently good drivers can overcome good cars any day of the week.

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Wes Eargle wrote:
As far as the other discussion goes, I don't exactly hear Sam Strano (or Randy Melton for that matter) whining about Subarus. Apparently good drivers can overcome good cars any day of the week.


Actually Sam had a nice long Ditrade a about the rally cars being allowed to stay in ESP on the evolition list.

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At 04:49 PM 10/9/2004 +0000, bauerspeedracing wrote
Okay, first things first, flak jackets are on..... ;-)
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>ITEM 1: Move from BS to AS: Porsche Boxster non-S, Honda S2000 ('00-
>'03), BMW Z4 (all)
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>SOLO II STRET PREPARED CATEGORY
>• The following previously-published class change proposals have been
>withdrawn:
>Move from ESP to BSP: Mitsubishi Evo, Subaru WRX Sti

"Good thing your wearing body armor. The first decision will most likely
effect the place I run in 2005. Luckily I have access to an M3, which will
now be very competitive again in BS. It's really too bad that most
everyone with a pony-car or DSM car doesn't have the means to do that, and
will get stuck by the 3rd round of piss-poor choices. Funny how you guys
just made BS a place for "old" cars with only a few newer ones like the
350Z and RX8 thrown in, and they are of unproven capabilities.

But god forbid you fix ESP. Can't have ESP being pony-cars/"lesser" AWD
cars, because the pony car is dead (newsflash, so are the 968, E36 M3 and
MR2 Turbo, all of which you just handed a class over too). Also, there are
a few newer cars that could be very competitive in an ESP sans the big
rally cars, like the WRX and old DSM (which Charles Moss proved could still
go fast). Nope, y'all think it's smarter to leave the rally-cars in ESP
depsite the HUGE gap in car types. Ok, fine I give up. I've tried to
convince you. Really wish one of you would have gotten in a series of
better rally-cars and compared them to maybe a STX WRX and a prepped ESP
car outright. But I guess data like that really doesn't matter, I know
because I've given you that data. You want to look at results. Well,
that's be fine if you had a good sampling of each car. You don't. You
have precious few rally cars that have the thought or money in them as
compared to pony-cars or DSM cars. And NONE have close to the history and
trial and error testing of either of the others. None of that seems to
matter.

You all make it soooo tempting to sandbag, it's not funny. I'm sure this
decision is based on Nationals. I'm glad I won, and I think you can tell
by the gap that neither Mark nor I were sandbagging at all. I drove harder
than I could imagine. I got away with things that I'm still not sure how I
got away with in an effort to get on top. I, without any question in my
mind, drove better than I've ever driven before in Topeka. Jason may have
as well, it's clear he had to drive his ass off to run as fast as he
did. But, I've spoken to Jason, and he (maybe Eric too, don't know)
expressed regret to me over not running on Kumho's. Also, let's remember
that Jason was in 12th after day one, they had intercooler hose issues and
cone problems too, and he got to 3rd in what was a tight class. That's
pretty damn impressive to me. I'm not saying Jason is a 12th place driver
and got to 3rd on the car. What I'm saying is that Jason is a driver
capable of winning, and without those day 1 troubles would have been a
little better than 3rd (probably would have won). No degree in engineering
needed to see that.

I want also to add this. Somewhere (I don't have a rulebook or supps
handy) there is a rule about drag-race starts and not having them. Well,
the SEB or someone on it has to approve the National courses. The North
Course had a drag race start which was an advantage to the rally-car. I
know, I was following Kiko and he left with all 4 wheels spinning. This
was AFTER cones were added on the right to make the start any kind of turn
at all (very early on Monday it was literally a straight line). If you are
going to leave the rally cars in ESP, it'd be nice if you at least made the
playing field as level as possible. It'd also have been nice not have
gotten crap for it when I mentioned it.

That's about all I have to say. I'm off to do some research about what to
do next year. I'll contact Tasha and see if she'll consider moving the
cars out of ESP for Pro's. I suspect she won't, but I'll try. That's the
only thing at this point that could keep me in ESP for '05. Nice job
fella's. You chased the away the first of what I'm sure will be many
pony-car guys (hell, you already did that, look at '03 numbers vs.
'04. Those cars didn't all disappear, they chose not to come because of
rally-cars). I'm sure you all don't think it's a big deal. I've only run
ESP @ Nationals 4 of my 9 times, which is more than I've run any other
class, and won twice. <Sarcasm on> I'm probably not a good judge of what
others will do since I just dabble in the class. <Sarcasm off>"

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I stand corrected. Evidently good drivers feel the need to go elsewhere when technology overcomes driving.

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Well at the (great!) risk of taking this thread even more OT people confuse easy to drive to 95% and easy to drive to 100%. I can vouch that it's relatively easy to drive a Subaru to top 20 PAX levels. It's really really hard to drive them to consistent #1 pax. They also reward a driving style that doesn't work very well in other cars so sometimes people who do well in Subarus don't do quite as well in normal cars until they learn to modify their style.

I think Sammy let his emotions cloud his judgement on this issue. He's an absolutely great driver and even better instructor but he's highly emotionally attached to the pony car and the entitlement argument (for lack of a better term) in ESP.

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Kevin Hoff wrote:
I can vouch that it's relatively easy to drive a Subaru to top 20 PAX levels.


Any Subaru or just STi's?

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