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 Post subject: Stock class strut question
PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:45 pm 
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Let's say there's a set of struts that work with the stock springs & those struts have threaded bodies so that I could adjust the ride height (to raise the car up for rallycross-type driving). They would also have adjustable bump/rebound, adjusted together using a single knob at the top of each strut. If I set the ride height at the stock value that's listed in the factory service manual, would these be legal?


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I thought any shocks were legal in stock class, so long as you have the stock springs on them?

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 Post subject: Re: Stock class strut question
PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:35 pm 
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Yes I am pretty sure they would be, Just like my sp3 koni's that have 5 adjustments for perch height it is leagal to set it on the one that would be stock height.

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I do not have my rule book handy. But the rule use to be that the perch had to be welded at the stock ride height position. That may have changed...

But for local stuff, if it is set to stock ride height, no one will say anything.

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Again, no rule book handy, however I'm pretty sure that the shock BODY has to be the same length as the stock shock (the piston can be shorter). So, from mounting point to the top of the shock you have to have the stock length.

As others have said, adjustable perches are fine, they just have to be at the stock height.

Others will chime in, I'm sure.

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13.5 Shock Absorbers

1. The make of shock absorber may be substituted providing that the number, type, (e.g., tube, lever, etc.) system of attachment and attachment points are not altered, except as noted below. The interchange of gas and hydraulic shock absorbers is permitted. The following restrictions apply:
1. No more than two separate external shock damping adjustment controls. Gas pressure adjustment is not considered a damping adjustment.
2. Suspension geometry and alignment capability, not including ride height, may not be altered by the substitution of alternate shock absorbers.
3. Adjustable spring perches are allowed, but the spring load-bearing surface must be in the same location relative to the shock mounting points as on the standard part. Shims may be used to achieve compliance.
4. The fully extended length must be within plus or minus one inch of the dimension of the standard part.
5. Electronically controlled shocks may not be used on vehicles not originally equipped with such units. Vehicles originally equipped with electronically controlled shocks may use the standard parts or non-electronically controlled alternative shocks subject to all requirements of 13.5. Non standard electronically controlled active shocks are not allowed.
2. The mounting hardware shall be of the original type. The use of any shock absorber bushing material, including metal, is permitted. This does not permit the use of an offset shock absorber bushing. The bushing attaching the end of the strut to the body or frame on a strut type suspension is a suspension bushing, not a shock absorber bushing. Suspension bushings, including but not limited to those which carry the weight of the car and determine ride height, may not be replaced with bushings of a different material or dimension.
3. To facilitate the installation of commonly available aftermarket shock absorbers, struts, or strut inserts whose shaft is larger than the center hole of an upper mount assembly, that hole may be enlarged by the minimum amount necessary to accommodate the shock shaft size, provided the following restrictions are met:

1. the enlarged hole must remain concentric with that of the original configuration;
2. the enlargement of the hole does not require modification of a bearing (as opposed to a washer, plate, or sleeve);
3. neither the hole enlargement nor the location of the shock shaft changes any alignment parameter.

4. A suspension bump stop is considered to be performing the function of a spring. Therefore, the compressed length of the shock at the initial point of contact with the bump stop may not be increased from the standard part, although the bump stop may be shortened for the purpose of installing non-standard shocks. Bump Stops installed externally and concentric with the shaft of a shock may be drilled out to fit a larger diameter shock shaft. Bump Stops may be substituted for the purpose of installing non-standard shock absorbers.


The word "weld" isn't there; I wouldn't want to weld the adjustable perch to my Konis on the Miata ...

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The difficult part with this is proving that the perch is indeed at the correct ride height. Unless it's in the factory manual, anytime you got protested, you'd have no way of proving this, other than having someone with a stock setup nearby to measure from, and that's a risk.

The body length has to be equal, but travel, like Wes posted, has to be within one inch of stock, which for adjustable perch shocks is hard to find. - AB

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The factory repair manual has a value for ride height from center of wheel to fender arch, including +/- tolerance, and drawings/ instructions to show you exactly how to measure it. All you need is a tape measure.


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The body length has to be equal, but travel, like Wes posted, has to be within one inch of stock, which for adjustable perch shocks is hard to find. - AB


What do you mean by that?

The struts I'm talking about would be made for rally/ rallycross, so they'd have plenty of travel - but I don't think they'd have much MORE than stock, if any.


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Based on my reading of the rule, it looks like the shock body can be longer or shorter, so long as the spring perch is in the right place and the total extended length is + or - 1".

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scottjohnson wrote:
Based on my reading of the rule, it looks like the shock body can be longer or shorter, so long as the spring perch is in the right place and the total extended length is + or - 1".

Scott



Scott is correct it is a relativly new rule brough on by a GS protest a few years back, some stock class koni's were being shortend more than inch to get more travel out of thier shocks, I belive it was Robert Carpentrer who got penalized for this... of course he went and got some stock shocks for his crx and still won the national championship that year so it seems it was not that great of an advantage.

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The hot Miata setup not too long ago was to have built a shock with a longer body, nearly to the bumpstop, then have the shocks valved for the spring rate of the bumpstop, not the spring. For all practical (and competitive advantage) purposes you were driving a car with a MUCH stiffer set of springs on it.

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FWIW the monotube struts Eric and I ran on for parts of last year were threaded body shocks. We simply measured every which way from sunday on stock shocks and set our perch height to match them and ran that way. No welding. No protests. Of course, we never got the damned thing to handle worth shit so we had very few good finishes nationally with which to get protested, so YMMV.

The shocks were also gassed too high for all of that testing, so the car sat OBVIOUSLY too high, so it would have been a fairly stupid thing to protest anyway. ;)


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Kevin,
Which shocks are you planning on trying to run?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:11 pm 
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Ssshhh... it's a secret. :wink:

(not really planning anything, just "looking at/considering" & wondering if they're legal)


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