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I agree with James and also think people should be able to run multiple cars of the same class. The more open it is the easier it will be to find participation and I don't think someone driving an STR miata and an STR s2000 in the same year is out of line with the basic idea of the class.

Does the current plan for scoring use pax? It seems like pax would be the way to go since the driver who lucks into a ride in a d mod car gets an auto-win over everyone else.

Car roulette is the way to do it. Everyone brings a car, toss the keys into a hat, and take turns picking your ride blind.

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2006 Civic Si - #24 HS for 2015

2005 GMC Sierra
1991 318is Garage Ornament

we have a hard enough time filling classes as it is.

Serious comments. In no particular order.
I think you'll find the rules a bit restricting towards the end of the year when you've already borrowed all the cars easily available to you. Would you really want to make someone miss season points because they drove the same car twice or otherwise missed a restriction? It's supposed to be fun. Vagrants shouldn't have too many rules.
Who is responsible for keeping up with all the "special" restrictions/rules and specialized points.
I think you could accomplish the same thing with an open PAX class.
That would have the following advantages.
1 - Folks that have 2 or more cars would have one class they could compete in.
2 - Folks that are stuck in a class by themselves could move to open PAX to find competition.

Not so serious comments.
Since you brought bushido into this, I think a more honorable name would be Ronin class.
I wouldn't mind helping Rob build his deck mostly because the only "work" I see happening is drinking beer and taking pictures.
I like the idea of adding points for raw timing the car owner but you should add then you also have to buy the owner dinner as well.

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OK so I'm back in. Now which tire should I buy??

This was my concern with having so many restrictions around make/model and owner.



I'd be happy to keep track of this. Nothing a spreadsheet can't handle. It would be very important that the year, make, model, and owner of the car be recorded accurately during registration.


Better hold onto that receipt too, in case the owner eats the dinner you bought for them and then turns around and protests you. I think if such a protest is registered and is proved false, the protester forfeits bushido.

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2017 THSCC Autocross Chief of Timing and Scoring

03 Nissan Altima
02 Honda S2000

I didn't say this before but I probably should, I think this type of class is a good idea even though I won't participate. Anything that keeps it fun and gives folks a reason to come out is a good thing.

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OK so I'm back in. Now which tire should I buy??

I really like this input. Ultimately, this is supposed to be a fun class and trying to rules lawyer around some stuff would be caught by a catch-all "have good bushido".

There are a few other considerations on how to run it, one of which Rob Keehner touched on, as well as some other work arounds. Other options on how to run it:
- X number of people sign up, and at every event the keys get thrown into a hat
- X number of people sign up, and at every event only 1 person's car is driven

With the first option, it's easier to navigate logistically; however, there is no way to implement bonus points or encourage people to branch out and ask people for co-drives. The second option is extremely fair on the surface and allows the bonus points, but logistically would be nightmare and could be potentially murderous on the tires. Also would be privy to whining about how 1st heat got screwed, etc.

Another option I've thought about keeps most of the rules in the proposal (massage them as necessary for people who own 2 cars, etc) but try to place an emphasis on trying to drive a good mixture of cars with various PAX modifiers. If someone runs in as many Stock classes as they can, they could theoretically be at an advantage PAX wise just because some of the classes have somewhat generous PAX numbers (PAX sucks, etc). So doing something like:

- Maximum of 3 *S events
- Minimum of 2 ST* events
- Minimum of 2 *SP/*SM events

Would encourage some PAX strategy, but also encourage people to drive as many radically different cars as possible.

Or because few people are going to go to the trouble of figuring out what PAX class to run in a non-real class, we could just call the class "Rob gets a Year End Trophy" and call it soup. Only rule is different classes/different cars LOL

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1990 Faded Reddish CSP Lite Miata
2002 Electron Blue Corvette Z06
2005 Mazda 6 Wagon
2003 Nissan Pathfinder DTV (Dog Transport Vehicle)

Personally, I'd say stick with the KISS principle and just say that if you've run 3 or more cars over the year, you're in.

Saying that you can only drive your own car once might be a deterrent.

I like that, but have a 10 point bonus for someone who ran a different car for each event. This way that Vagrant Lupella can possibly win this!
Who will be the other vagrants?

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Steven Spampinato
Littlest Bears Speed Shop - 2015,2016
Scuderia Meatball-Honda
2006 Civic SI Coupe "Tomato"HS-247

Been auto-crossing on and OFF for a while now, yet I find myself driving more OFF than ON.