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 Post subject: Re: Points event #4, DANVILLE IS BACK!
PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:47 pm 
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Andrew Jonell wrote:
Keith Proseus made his photos available: https://www.flickr.com/photos/95909424@ ... 753137593/
Rahul Gokare made his photos available as well: https://picasaweb.google.com/1144324309 ... July142014


Thank you!

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 Post subject: Re: Points event #4, DANVILLE IS BACK!
PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:56 pm 
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RodneyWright wrote:
Andrew Jonell wrote:
Keith Proseus made his photos available: https://www.flickr.com/photos/95909424@ ... 753137593/
Rahul Gokare made his photos available as well: https://picasaweb.google.com/1144324309 ... July142014


Thank you!


Ditto. Lots of red Mustang pics. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Points event #4, DANVILLE IS BACK!
PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:59 am 
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DickRasmussen wrote:
I'm on 265/35 x 18 ZII's on 18x8 inch rims . . . until today when I bolted the new set of 265's on 18x8.5 rims on the car for the Wilmington Pro/Tour and Nats/Pro Finale. My "huge to go with the huge car" 5.0 (302 cubic inches) V-8 also has gobs of torque with a relatively flat torque/hp curve so no "oh my" at high revs. Mine redlines to a "mere" 7K with a manual and around 6.7K with the automatic (automatic being the issue afaik since Ford is bragging that the 2015 auto will rev to 7K).

FYI the Boss 302 version of the 5.0 rev limits at 7.5k.

FYI for the "not FS" folks, per the new +/- 1" rule my particular version of the GT was available with 18x8 OR 19x8.5 inch wheels so I can use 18x8.5 for the better gearing with the automatic and .7 inch lower ride height. No 9's for my car (not Brembo brake version).


Sigh.. My "mid-sized" 4.6L (281 CID) motor only makes 300 ponies, with ignition cutout @ 6250 (you have to back off to 5750 before you get throttle control again). A fellow in the Mustang club has a set of factory 19x8.5s from his 2013 for sale, and I thought that might give me a few more mph in 2nd gear. But... Tire Rack lists no 19" sizes for the Rival and the 275-35/19 ZII is on "close out".

Thanks to Rob K for the course design, thanks to Noah for chasing down the key to the site Saturday morning, and thanks to Rob L for the two hours he spent cleaning the course with his leaf blower Saturday. I guess it's a good idea they rejected my course design, which featured 6 Chicago boxes, 4 pivots and 50-ft stop box after a 300ft finish straight. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Points event #4, DANVILLE IS BACK!
PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:07 am 
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Wow, that's a lot of pics in both those links. Thanks to those that took them!

Overall, I guess the ST is sort of like the Audi TT; a little faster than the sum of it's parts/specs and somewhat predictable to rotate by unweighting the rear tires. The stock 240 TW Goodyears actually have pretty stiff sidewalls for OE tires and after three events the shoulders are only 'mildly' chunked a bit, albeit I'm running 43-45psi. :oops: I really need to pony up for 17" wheels & at least some Rival/ZIIs soon (even take-offs would work).

Much like the Civic Si sedan that I drove, the ST is one of those cars that's comfortable to just jump in and drive in stock form but I think the biggest advantage is the 8" wide wheels, strong brakes, and an easy electronic steering setup to counter the moments of torque steer under boost. The brakes are almost overkill on the street since they are extremely touchy, but on the auto-x they're great. The dust is pretty bad, so I'm sure they used a semi-aggressive compound. I guess the other main thing the ST benefits from is the 270 ft/lb of torque, plus the lag is almost non-existent. Honestly, despite the open differential and torque, wheelspin really isn't too much of an issue only if you get the car settled early and pointed in the right direction. The first sweeper heading into the quick lane change was a good example, also the turnaround sweeper at Cherry Point too.

Personally, I hope it stays in GS for a couple seasons but in all honestly, this car with showroom tires is faster than my bone stock ITR on Rivals last year. I think the best part is that you can pickup a base model "ST1" for $3k less than the Integra sticker price almost 15 years ago. Ford's doing it right.


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 Post subject: Re: Points event #4, DANVILLE IS BACK!
PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:47 am 
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Arthur McDonald wrote:
A fellow in the Mustang club has a set of factory 19x8.5s from his 2013 for sale, and I thought that might give me a few more mph in 2nd gear. But... Tire Rack lists no 19" sizes for the Rival and the 275-35/19 ZII is on "close out".


Art -

Can you find out the offset of the 2013 19x8.5's from the seller for me? It would help me to know what options I have with wheels/spacers etc. If the wheels are off the car the offset should be cast on one of the spokes.

TireRack still has good inventory on the ZII's unless the website says otherwise. Their replacements are due this Fall. Hankook has 19's. Note that Jeb at Discount Tire sells ZII's and Rivals at TireRack prices since TR is the wholesaler for these low volume tires. I don't know about Hankook.

Thanks!

Dick

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 Post subject: Re: Points event #4, DANVILLE IS BACK!
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DickRasmussen wrote:
wheels/spacers etc.


If you use wheel spacers, does their thickness count towards the street category 1/4" offset allowance?

... working on the factory wheel offset info ....

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 Post subject: Re: Points event #4, DANVILLE IS BACK!
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Yes, I used that on my GTO to get some extra camber in the front.


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 Post subject: Re: Points event #4, DANVILLE IS BACK!
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JamesMilko wrote:
Yes, I used that on my GTO to get some extra camber in the front.


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A. It is the same width as standard and as installed it does not have an
offset more than ±¼” (±6.35mm) from a standard wheel for the car.
The resultant change in track dimensions is allowed.
B. Wheel (rim) diameter may be increased or decreased 1” from the
standard part.
Wheel spacers are permitted provided the resultant combination complies
with the offset requirements of this Section. On vehicles supplied
with an OE wheel spacer, the wheel spacer shall be considered as a
part of the wheel. Wheel studs, lug nuts, valve stems (including pressure-
relief types), and/or bolt length may be changed. Tire pressure
monitoring sensors may be removed.


FYI it appears that next year the allowance will be +/- 7 mm.

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 Post subject: Re: Points event #4, DANVILLE IS BACK!
PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:11 pm 
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DickRasmussen wrote:
Arthur McDonald wrote:
A fellow in the Mustang club has a set of factory 19x8.5s from his 2013 for sale, and I thought that might give me a few more mph in 2nd gear. But... Tire Rack lists no 19" sizes for the Rival and the 275-35/19 ZII is on "close out".


Art -

Can you find out the offset of the 2013 19x8.5's from the seller for me? It would help me to know what options I have with wheels/spacers etc. If the wheels are off the car the offset should be cast on one of the spokes.

TireRack still has good inventory on the ZII's unless the website says otherwise. Their replacements are due this Fall. Hankook has 19's. Note that Jeb at Discount Tire sells ZII's and Rivals at TireRack prices since TR is the wholesaler for these low volume tires. I don't know about Hankook.

Thanks!

Dick


Dick,

The wheels being sold are the "19 X 8.5 Premium Painted Luster Nickel Aluminum Wheel", option code 64V from the 2013 price list.

The seller sent me a photo of the casting on the back of the wheel spoke. It says "19X8.5JX50"
Attachment:
2013Premium19.png

Art


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 Post subject: Re: Points event #4, DANVILLE IS BACK!
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:20 am 
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Art - Thank you very much! Those are the same 19x8.5 wheels that were an option for my car in 2012 and the 50 mm offset is only 5 mm (.2 inch) more than the 45 mm of the Kazera 18x8.5 wheels I bought so I'm in compliance with the rule. FYI the offset of the oem 18x8's is 44 mm.

Thanks again!

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 Post subject: Re: Points event #4, DANVILLE IS BACK!
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:46 am 
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Arthur McDonald wrote:
But... Tire Rack lists no 19" sizes for the Rival and the 275-35/19 ZII is on "close out".


On BFG's site, they show two 19" Rival sizes coming: 285/35-19 and 255/40-19. Tirerack probably has an ETA.

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 Post subject: Re: Points event #4, DANVILLE IS BACK!
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:42 pm 
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